Has anyone used the reproduction front bumper that dennis carpenter sells? Mines shot and cant find any good used ones, besides the chromer wants 400 to rechrome and the reproduction is 250.00.

 

i got the cheapy from lmc
fit and finish are great but it had one ding in it . but for under $200 i live with it .

 

Repro matches original and was installed on more than just bumpsides, as you can see. There was also a painted version (C4TZ-17757-C - not repro'd), that was far more common.

C4TZ-17757-D .. Chrome Front Bumper / 1964/77 F100/350 (except 1973/77 Ranger XLT's with R/L horizontal black vinyl bumper pads). Was also installed on some 1978/79 F100/350's.

The XLT bumper (D3TZ-17757-A) is the same shape/style, but has rectangular holes punched out for the tabs on the bumper pads to snap into.

 

The C4 number is odd because the '67-'77 bumper is quite different from the earlier versions. A '66 and '67 placed side-by-side will illustrate that the ends are cut differently and the curve of the '66 is more pronounced, matching the contour of that year's filler panel. (The '67 bumper - I have one on my '66 - may also be slightly wider but my '66 version is too badly bent to allow a measurement.)
The '67-up bumper is sometimes dishonestly advertised as correct for a '66 (and earlier years) and sometimes advertised accurately as not correct but a bolt-on replacement.
Eric

 

I found a nice reproduction China or who ever made it in pick n pull can't remember what I paid about 10 yrs ago it was like 15 bucks then. It was thinner like 3/16" not the 1/8"
Mind the two bolt hole were a little off. Plus it seem to fit right. Then two yrs ago came across a nice oe 71 4x4 same as mind with a cherry bumper. I had it re-chromed for $300and was a perfect fit compared to that reproduction one. I now see good ones at pick n pull once in a while still. But like mind was they all need re-chroming. It took me a long time to bag a the first one.. Saw a good one today at pick n pull on a 70. here in San Jose we have two yards to pick from.. Some times a few in each yard.. Maybe by chance you'll find that is nice and not a reproduction one.. .
orich

 

I picked a clean one off a van but the mounting holes are spaced different. Drilled some new holes and installed spare bumper bolts in the unused holes. Good enough for me.

 

Both bumper part numbers (C4TZ-17757-C painted / C4TZ-17757-D chrome) are listed in the 1964/72 & 1973/79 Ford truck parts catalogs. Ford did make a change to the bumper ends in 1967, but kept the same two part numbers.

When the 1967/ bumpers are installed on 1964/66's, the curvature of the ends stick out a bit past the stone deflector, but most people never notice.

If people are doing correct concours resto's, there's more to look out for than just bumpers. For one thing, Motorcraft didn't exist until 1973, so any parts installed prior years that are so labeled, are incorrect.

Starter relay thru 1967 marked FoMoCo in script, 1968 and later marked with the blue oval, Ford part number is the same. How many people would notice these tiny marks? The die hard Mustang/Shelby 'nuts' and that's about it.

 

But why did Ford continue to use the same P/N for a part which is obviously quite different?
Eric

 

I asked this same question circa 1968, the Ford Parts & Service rep had no clue.

Why did Ford replace the 351M/400 flywheel using a 1985 part number (E5TZ-6375-S), since the last year these two engines were available was 1982?

Why did Ford replace the heater core used on most 1965/79 F100/350's with a 1983 part number (E3TZ-18476-E)? No 1980 or newer uses this heater core.

There probably more examples, but these two are all I can recall at the moment.

When you figure out why FoMoCo did these idiotic things, lemme know.

The most IDIOTIC thing FoMoCo ever did: In the late 1980's, FoMoCo changed the package quantity of a gazillion parts. When the IDIOTS did this, the changed the part number suffix rendering all the previous part numbers obsolete!

What parts catalog printed prior to 1988 has these newer part numbers: NONE! The only way to find out is look each number up in an OSI catalog, see what its new number is, but many partsguys didn't bother, told the customer the part was obsolete.

One example of a gazillion:

DOTZ-7B097-B (replaced C5TZ-7B097-A (in 1970) and DOTZ-7B097-A (circa 1988) .. NSS Selector Lever / 1965/77 F100/350.

The tip of this little charmer snaps off, or it loses tensile strength and falls off the shift tube. Peeps (including FTE members) looking for new levers are using this part number: DOTZ-7B097-A

EDIT: DOTZ-7B097-B = Carpenter NOS Obsolete Parts has 3,044 (!!).

 

Well, I guess that would be me, LOL.

As far as reproduction chrome bumpers go, most will start to pit within 3 years after install UNLESS you take extra good care of them......alot of wax and out of the weather type of thing. I have both front and rear reproduction chrome bumpers from NPD (bought about 7 years ago) just sitting in my building that are actually starting to get small, fine, rust pits in them and they were never installed on any truck, where as I have an NOS rear bumper still in the paper that looks like its brand new, and I have had it since 1988! I do know that DC makes really good parts, but I dont know about his bumpers so I cant speak truthfully about that. However, you would probably be better off finding a good, straight original bumper and have a professional rechrome it. $400 sounds a little high so shop around on that.......It would be worth it in the long run.

 

After talking to dc they say that their bumpers are made in taiwan and dont have the license plate mounting holes. Thats weird, i dont want to have to drill holes to mount the plate in a new bumper. Lmc has two front bumpers listed, regular and premium. They have the license plate holes in them so they must use a different supplier. Has anyone used the premium one they (lmc) offer lately??? This is the last big item i have to buy. I see the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

AFAIK, all repro bumpers are made in the Orient.

Repro chrome parts made in the Orient have no copper base coat. Chrome is plated onto bare steel.

Genuine Ford chrome parts have at least one coat of copper, one coat of chrome. The more coats of copper, the longer the chrome lasts.

During the Korean War, chrome and copper were in short supply. Automakers were forced to plate nickel onto bare steel, then sprayed clear lacquer on the nickel to protect it.

Lacquer turned brown, began to chip off, pitting began. This is why unpitted (what hobbyists call) "Korean War Chrome" parts used 1950/52 are very hard to find.

 

I put one on my '69 4 years ago, it has been parked outside in Alberta winters since and it looks fine. No pitting.

 

I ended up buying a bumper from lmc, They have 2 choices available , regular bumper and premium bumper. Premium has triple nickel plating and 5 year warranty. I went with the premium.