ext cab long bed F350 best in payload?
#16
05-25-2012, 10:55 AM
Rear leaf springs are longer starting in 2008, I don't know if the 2011+ are that length or even longer. The new packs sag for some reason, I don't ever see a loaded '11+ that's doesn't look nose high to me, but it could be the massive front end looking taller than the old models. I guess I would be a little bit ticked if a $50k truck sagged as bad as people claim, but they should be tow rated under SAE J-2807 (IIRC?), and that should include a sag test for max trailer weight. Somehow Ford seems to have put in lighter springs that sag more, but somehow kept a GCWR of 23.5K for 3.31/6.7L in F-250s.
I love my overload+4+aux rear leafs and 6000# coils, I don't know why Ford would ever put a 3 leaf pack in a Super Duty.
I love my overload+4+aux rear leafs and 6000# coils, I don't know why Ford would ever put a 3 leaf pack in a Super Duty.
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05-25-2012, 12:25 PM
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05-26-2012, 06:05 AM
been thinking about a new truck for the past few months and Saturday was the first day i went to a dealer to look at some new F350's. I went to Gentilini Ford in Woodbine NJ, they had 12 F350 on the lot ranging from reg cabs to chassis cab 4x4. I was mostly interested in the crew cabs but these two ext cab long beds kept catching my eye. After looking closer at them and reading the window sticker's i noticed both of them had different rear leaf springs? They both had four main leafs plus the top overload spring, where all the other crew cabs and reg cabs had the normal three leafs plus the top overload spring? And both the long bed ext cabs were at least two to three inches taller then all the other F350 on the lot?? The salesmen told me that all the ext cab F350 come this way because Ford knows they are the number one seller for contractors etc and ford puts beefier springs on these trucks only? I even went further and talked to a mechanic that said as long as he's been a Ford tech almost thirty years all the ext cab long bed seem to be taller and have the best payload from what hes worked on and seen come to the dealer ship? Now i didn't take a tape measure but standing next to these trucks you can defiantly see the height difference and just the extra springs in the long beds it looks to me that THESE ext cab long beds SHOULD have the best payload capacity? What do yous think???
Do you remember not too long ago we had a little discussion on the number of leafs on the new trucks and I said that the number of leafs is really dependent on the wheelbase and engine choice? Maybe what you found at the dealership supports what I said.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post11807688
Below is the link to the thread I started when the 2011s first came out and noticed the number of springs versus wheelbase and the differences in GVWR too. I found the same thing that you just posted - the crewcabs have fewer springs (3 leafs total main pack) than the supercabs (4 leafs). Crazy also posted some good specs too.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...leaf-pack.html
#20
05-26-2012, 08:25 AM
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Guys that use these trucks for what there made to do are forgotten about and it seems Ford is catering to the grocery getters so soft rides are in. They should leave the 150s for soft riding trucks (sorry guys with the 150s not picking on your truck), and the Super Duty series should be just that a more stout, sprung stiffer truck for work.
#22
05-27-2012, 11:43 AM
i wonder when i go back to check the trucks again if the dealer will let medo a payload test? I saw that they had a forklift next to the building, maybe ill bring a pallet of cement bags down and have them put it in a new F350 so i can see how the ext cab long bed compares to the crew cab short bed F350?
#23
05-27-2012, 11:51 AM
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I have a good feeling a dealer's gonna laugh at the thought of dropping in a pallet of concrete in a new truck that they own. Maybe with a $40k deposit they'll go for it.. 
If your that serious about buying one, why not just get the truck you want and throw on a set of air bags? I paid $300 for mine, not the $500-600 mentioned earlier. I had just over 2 yards of semi-wet mulch in the back of my truck, it was just barely setting on the overloads, which means it dropped about an inch or 2. I know that's not as dense as gravel/dirt, but thought it was worth mentioning. I don't have the bags installed yet so this was with a factory setup...
If your that serious about buying one, why not just get the truck you want and throw on a set of air bags? I paid $300 for mine, not the $500-600 mentioned earlier. I had just over 2 yards of semi-wet mulch in the back of my truck, it was just barely setting on the overloads, which means it dropped about an inch or 2. I know that's not as dense as gravel/dirt, but thought it was worth mentioning. I don't have the bags installed yet so this was with a factory setup...
#24
05-27-2012, 11:56 AM
#25
05-27-2012, 12:33 PM
Lead Driver
So you're going to buy a new truck and not spend a dime on making it work for you by purchasing aftermarket items? Based on what you've done to your '04, that doesn't seem to be the case.
I gave you a solution, if you don't like it, keep your current truck. Still too high on the air bags, $300...
I gave you a solution, if you don't like it, keep your current truck. Still too high on the air bags, $300...
#26
05-27-2012, 08:58 PM
-sonnex valve to fix the god awful soft shifts on the 4R100
-4.30 werent available with the 5.4 from factory
-X3 to help the weak 5.4
-headers were a fix for the junk ford exhaust manifold
-ypipe same thing to fix Fords junk 1" ypipe
-cat and Borla exhaust tofix my young mistake about wanting loud a$$ exhaust and then waking up one day and saying da$ i hate that noise
-diff cover,front springs, recon products were just for looks
this new truck will be ordered exactlty the way i want it and left BONE STOCK till it completely dies
-4.30 werent available with the 5.4 from factory
-X3 to help the weak 5.4
-headers were a fix for the junk ford exhaust manifold
-ypipe same thing to fix Fords junk 1" ypipe
-cat and Borla exhaust tofix my young mistake about wanting loud a$$ exhaust and then waking up one day and saying da$ i hate that noise
-diff cover,front springs, recon products were just for looks
this new truck will be ordered exactlty the way i want it and left BONE STOCK till it completely dies
#27
05-28-2012, 05:58 AM
Lead Driver
You're missing my point. You don't need to explain why you did your mods to your truck (although I find it interesting you left out the AAL and rear overload spring reasoning, rear springs too soft? 
). Your truck, in it's stock configuration, wasn't working for you. You modified to make it work for you. A new truck, as stock as you want it to be, doesn't seem like it'll work for you, so modify it and make it work.
I told myself, and the wife, that the new truck wasn't going to modified, I just wanted to leave it alone. As you can see in my sig, it's not working out so well...
). Your truck, in it's stock configuration, wasn't working for you. You modified to make it work for you. A new truck, as stock as you want it to be, doesn't seem like it'll work for you, so modify it and make it work. I told myself, and the wife, that the new truck wasn't going to modified, I just wanted to leave it alone. As you can see in my sig, it's not working out so well...
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