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Old 04-18-2012, 03:27 PM
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4.6L engine miss, what should I do next?

Any suggestions appreciated. My 97 F-150 with a 4.6L has been acting up. Missing terrible then levels out at higher RPM's and almost completely goes away after the truck has been driven for 20 or 30 minutes. Ironically, runs pretty decently after sitting overnight, but the trip home from work is a bear. I've changed plugs, wires, fuel filter, air filter, and recently fixed the broken EGR tube. I'm still getting the famous insufficient EGR flow code that I assume is from clogged EGR ports at this point. I also get a couple of "system too lean" codes. I also used some Lucas fuel treatment in it. Each and every step has improved the miss, but it's still there. Where should I go next? I figured I'd check out and clean the MAF sensor tonight. Any tips or guidance would be appreciated.
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Look for rotted, split, holes etc in any rubber parts connecting to the intake manifold.
This would let un metered air in and upset the Air Fuel ratio and fuel metering.
The OX sensors detect this and set the lean codes.
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Thanks for the tip. I found a plastic tube had fallen off that runs from the left side valve cover to the intake. Replaced it, but the truck is still getting worse. I'm thinking that I might have fouled one of the new plugs when it was running lean? The truck actually ran MUCH better right after I replaced the plugs a couple weeks ago. Now it's running rough again and so bad that it feels like it's on 7 cylinders.
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Better look more.
You found two issue so far.
Lean 'A/F' ratios does not foul plugs.
Repair what you know about then look for the remaing issues, otherwise your chasing to many things at the same time.
A hard cylinder miss will set a code.
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Did you use motorcraft plugs?
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Did you use motorcraft plugs?
DOH!! I used Autolites. The miss was pretty close to what it is now the day I changed them out. The truck ran like a champ for a few days and then started throwing those 2 lean codes and that EGR insufficient flow code again. Eventually the miss came back and is gradually getting worse. Now it's right back to where we started and maybe a tad rough. But, make no mistake, the plugs and wires helped a ton right after I changed them about 2 weeks ago.
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If you have 171/174 codes, there are other reasons they can set.
These codes are set when the fuel tables have been shifted to their rich limits trying to account for too much extra air as detected by the OX sensors. This is the only way the PCM has, to know that issue exists.
Other causes are both excessive and too little fuel pressure. Testing will tell this.
Leaking fuel injectors, leaking fuel through the pressure regulator into the intake, Vapor recovery system, oil dip stick not seated, leaking EVR solenoid, PCV etc..
After the obvious has been eliminated you have to look deeper.
Obviously a rough idle is either too little idle fuel or to much.
Usually too much fuel at idle causes the idle to roll (hunt) instead of being rough when the PCM cannot decide what to do with it.
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If you have 171/174 codes, there are other reasons they can set.
These codes are set when the fuel tables have been shifted to their rich limits trying to account for too much extra air as detected by the OX sensors. This is the only way the PCM has, to know that issue exists.
Other causes are both excessive and too little fuel pressure. Testing will tell this.
Leaking fuel injectors, leaking fuel through the pressure regulator into the intake, Vapor recovery system, oil dip stick not seated, leaking EVR solenoid, PCV etc..
After the obvious has been eliminated you have to look deeper.
Obviously a rough idle is either too little idle fuel or to much.
Usually too much fuel at idle causes the idle to roll (hunt) instead of being rough when the PCM cannot decide what to do with it.
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Yeah those are my 2 lean codes. I appreciate you trying to help. I know this question is like a "broken record" on this forum when dealing with those lean codes and that EGR insufficient flow code. Tonight I changed the PCV valve and cleaned the MAF sensor. Cleared the codes. Drove the truck about 5 miles before cleaning the MAF sensor. No repeat codes so far. We'll see about the miss tomorrow when I drive it to work. Fingers crossed.
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The same basic pattern happened this morning, but things changed this afternoon. Ran pretty decent to work (about 11 miles) this morning. Miss was slightly evident, but overall okay. Then, just like always, it ran terrible on the way home (about 8 or 9 hours later). It got very rough and eventually showed a new code--P0304 (misfire on #4 cylinder). I ran it almost completely out of gas and put a full tank of 93 octane and a bottle of Seafoam in it. Reset the codes and started the long way home. Within 3 miles, it started getting better in a hurry. Not totally fixed, but much MUCH better. No lean codes at all today, and the P0304 did not come back after the new tank of gas and the seafoam. My question is could the coil pack be going bad, considering how it acts at different parts of the day, temperatures, etc., and/or would I get a specific misfire code like that with bad gas in general? The more I think about it, I think I've been getting some bad gas at a different place. Thanks for the help so far.
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The PCM IDed the cylinder for you.
If the coil is going open or turns are shorting, a miisfire results.
How does the PCM know what cylnder it is?
The crank sensor measures revolution time for every cylinder everytime.
The time is compaired to software tables. If out of limits for a certain number of revs, a code is set for that cylinders no matter what the cause of the missfire is.
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Woohoo!! The new coil pack fixed it! Thanks for the help Bluegrass!! The only thing that I can add that might help somebody in the future is the fact that the truck ran differently based on whether it was hot or cold (amazingly, mine ran much better after about a 30 minute drive than it did cold).
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