Stage II Injectors - How much smoke at Idle?
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Stage II Injectors - How much smoke at Idle?
Recently had set of 160cc Stage II single shot injectors from Full Force installed, with a GT38R, and Single Shot tunes from Gearhead Automotive. The truck runs great, and it couldn't be happier with the power.
My only concern is the amount of smoke at idle, which seems a bit excessive and smells different than normal diesel exhaust. Is this normal for these injectors, or should I be concerned?
Hopefully this is normal, but I thought oil might be getting into the fuel somewhere. The smoke at start up and warm idle, was present before the injector swap, and I thought the new injectors (o-rings) would address that issue.
Any thoughts? thanks...
My only concern is the amount of smoke at idle, which seems a bit excessive and smells different than normal diesel exhaust. Is this normal for these injectors, or should I be concerned?
Hopefully this is normal, but I thought oil might be getting into the fuel somewhere. The smoke at start up and warm idle, was present before the injector swap, and I thought the new injectors (o-rings) would address that issue.
Any thoughts? thanks...
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thanks for the response...
I haven't talked directly with anyone at gearhead, but have been working through Brandon Miller at Twisted Innovations. Long story, but the first tunes were from another vendor and didn't have great driveability or idle quality, so he got a credit back from that vendor and we sent the chip to Gearhead.
Tunes from both vendors have had smoke at idle when warm, and lower than stock idle RPM (approx 600 RPM). The Gearhead tunes seem to start a lot better.
Maybe I should talk with the tuner, sounds like they might be calling for too much fuel at idle?
I haven't talked directly with anyone at gearhead, but have been working through Brandon Miller at Twisted Innovations. Long story, but the first tunes were from another vendor and didn't have great driveability or idle quality, so he got a credit back from that vendor and we sent the chip to Gearhead.
Tunes from both vendors have had smoke at idle when warm, and lower than stock idle RPM (approx 600 RPM). The Gearhead tunes seem to start a lot better.
Maybe I should talk with the tuner, sounds like they might be calling for too much fuel at idle?
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Something else I forgot to mention, is it possible that ICP sensor or IPR could be effecting the idle quality and smoke? At 175k miles, both are probably needing replaced.
Also, I have a whauup, whauup, whauup miss at start sometimes. Was always present at cold start with stock injectors, and still there with the new injectors. The first tunes i tried would require a bump of the throttle to elimnate the miss... with the new tunes from Gearhead, the miss only lasts for a couple revolutions before clearing up on its own.
stock injectors smoked at cold start and cleaned up at warm idle, had miss at cold start that required bumping the throttle to eliminate.
new injectors smoke both at cold start and warm idle, with new tuning the miss clears up on its own after a couple revolutions of the engine.
Also, I have a whauup, whauup, whauup miss at start sometimes. Was always present at cold start with stock injectors, and still there with the new injectors. The first tunes i tried would require a bump of the throttle to elimnate the miss... with the new tunes from Gearhead, the miss only lasts for a couple revolutions before clearing up on its own.
stock injectors smoked at cold start and cleaned up at warm idle, had miss at cold start that required bumping the throttle to eliminate.
new injectors smoke both at cold start and warm idle, with new tuning the miss clears up on its own after a couple revolutions of the engine.
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Something else I forgot to mention, is it possible that ICP sensor or IPR could be effecting the idle quality and smoke? At 175k miles, both are probably needing replaced.
Also, I have a whauup, whauup, whauup miss at start sometimes. Was always present at cold start with stock injectors, and still there with the new injectors. The first tunes i tried would require a bump of the throttle to elimnate the miss... with the new tunes from Gearhead, the miss only lasts for a couple revolutions before clearing up on its own.
stock injectors smoked at cold start and cleaned up at warm idle, had miss at cold start that required bumping the throttle to eliminate.
new injectors smoke both at cold start and warm idle, with new tuning the miss clears up on its own after a couple revolutions of the engine.
Also, I have a whauup, whauup, whauup miss at start sometimes. Was always present at cold start with stock injectors, and still there with the new injectors. The first tunes i tried would require a bump of the throttle to elimnate the miss... with the new tunes from Gearhead, the miss only lasts for a couple revolutions before clearing up on its own.
stock injectors smoked at cold start and cleaned up at warm idle, had miss at cold start that required bumping the throttle to eliminate.
new injectors smoke both at cold start and warm idle, with new tuning the miss clears up on its own after a couple revolutions of the engine.
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The romps is what you guys are describing as to the funny idle. I had that problem too with my 97, but it would clear up as soon as I put it in neutral. (auto tranny) Never made sense to me. Now it doesn't do it at all, and I have no idea why. I too run amsoil. The IPR can affect idle, that's for sure. Don't know about the ICP.
Smoke at idle, seems to me something is wrong somewhere. Smoke when cold is understandable and expected. But when warm, something is causing it. Need to identify the smoke. Oil should be easy to identify, as well as antifreeze simply by smell.
Smoke at idle, seems to me something is wrong somewhere. Smoke when cold is understandable and expected. But when warm, something is causing it. Need to identify the smoke. Oil should be easy to identify, as well as antifreeze simply by smell.
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I'm confident there isn't any coolant in the exhaust, but not sure about oil. The haze is slightly blue, and stinks big time... but not like a normal oil burning smell, it actually stings the eyes a little bit.
Brandon is going to run some diagnostics tomorrow, and hopefully we get this thing figured out soon.
I do plan on trying some sythetic oil, to see if that addresses the miss at startup.
Thanks again for all the feedback... you guys have a lot of experience and knowledge for sure.
Brandon is going to run some diagnostics tomorrow, and hopefully we get this thing figured out soon.
I do plan on trying some sythetic oil, to see if that addresses the miss at startup.
Thanks again for all the feedback... you guys have a lot of experience and knowledge for sure.
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Boy do I feel dumb...
Narrowed the smoke issue down to one of the positions on the TS chip. For some reason the "tow/economy" tune idles smokes heavily at idle when warm. All other positions are clean at idle. Also noticed the tow/economy tune sounds very different from the other positions at idle (actually idles a lot quieter).
Anyways, sorry for the wild goose chase. Going to work with gearhead to get the tow tune fixed.
Narrowed the smoke issue down to one of the positions on the TS chip. For some reason the "tow/economy" tune idles smokes heavily at idle when warm. All other positions are clean at idle. Also noticed the tow/economy tune sounds very different from the other positions at idle (actually idles a lot quieter).
Anyways, sorry for the wild goose chase. Going to work with gearhead to get the tow tune fixed.
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