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Old 04-10-2012, 05:53 PM
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Craigslist 65 4x4

Thought you guys might like to look at this-if I had a spare $3K I'd be interested.
I wonder how much bondo is hiding under that new paint.....
1965 Ford 4x4
 
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that seems like a good deal provided it drives well and the bondo isn't actually holding anything together
 
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I would at least want a headliner in it and a dash that didnt have a garage door where the radio is supposed to be. For that kind of money. They didnt come with that particular motor so I would be giving that motor and running gear a close look to see that it is not just hung in there with rubberbands and chewing gum. A few other things I see in the pic I didnt mention. We have seen quite a few 4x4 wannabes out there. Buyer beware.
 
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Old 04-11-2012, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Sieveboy1965
that seems like a good deal...
It may seem like a good deal to you, but it may not be such a good deal when you consider the following:

289: 1963/68 misc Ford/Merc Passenger Cars, 1965/68 Ranchero's, 1966/68 Bronco's only.

1965 F100 4WD has the WRONG Styleside Bed, should have the 1957/60 Styleside Bed. The only 4WD available w/the 1964/66 F100/250 2WD Styleside Bed: 1966 F100 4WD.

Has also been lifted, could be because of tire clearance issues with the wrong bed. The only F100 4WD's with this approximate stance: 1966 F100 4WD.

Hood side emblems (maybe the entire hood) is from a 1961 or 1962, hood doesn't fit properly. Gear & Lightning Bolt hood front emblem used on all 1961/64's, but only on 1965/66's with I-6's.

The outside mirrors are ill-fitting gypo's, bought at an autoparts store. No stainless steel w/shield revel mouldings, no Custom Cab nameplates, so this is a Standard Cab.

Also MIA: Front fender emblems, inside mirror and left sun visor (Std Cabs only came with one), 4WD only horn button.

Grille is not supposed to be painted body color, seat upholstery is wrong.

Regardless of the myriad wrong/missing parts, with a swapped in 289, it's a Frankenstein Monster. IMO = PASS!
 
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:38 AM
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Man, you guys are pickier than the Corvette guys. It's a 47 year old truck. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts NONE of your trucks are bone stock correct. I see a nice truck with a couple minor issues. In all likelihood, it was a body swap to a newer chassis. ....So what? As long as the work is decent, who gives a crap if it's "correct"? If that's what you're looking for, go to Barrett Jackson and get a nice correct example. I don't think $3,500 is out of line at all for a truck that nice. Why do you assume it's loaded with bondo? There are some body shops and private induviduals that still do quality work. So, ...we can't look at a nice appearing truck without assuming it's some hacked together piece of crap?

.....interesting.
 
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I agree with Earthquake68. I am a near purist, the reason I would pass on the truck is the 289. I cannot understand why you would put that engine in a truck that came with either the best I-6 ever built or a really good V8 that was used for years. If I were to put a V8 in my truck I would use a 352 or a 390. Not my style, but I think it is a value at $3500.00
 
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Your money do what you want with it. Sometimes monitary lessons are the ones that stay learned. Makes you wise beyond your years. Most of those trucks we have see here usually show up later after some unsuspecting person who doesnt do their homework buys it and then shows up here asking all sorts of questions about how to correct what the PO has sold them. Usually a bill of goods. Motors jumping around in the engine compartment, transmissions hanging loose and gears grinding or jumping out of gear, bodys not bolted onto the frame, oil leakes and wiring problems up the you know what. But hey its your money spend it how you like. It always gets me when someone asks what you think and then either they or someone else doesnt like the answer. If you dont like the answer go and check the vehical out and let us know. Dont get me wrong there are quite a few 4x4 conversions out there that are done very well and complete. That one just throws up to many red flags. Notice my last statement was buyer be aware.

Edit: You know after I typed the above I went back and looked at the pic of the truck again. If you look closely under the truck you see a pan there to catch the oil that is probably leaking out of the TC. This to me for that kind of money would be a very big red flag. I could give a rip about bondo in the body thats all somewhat easy to correct. Its the mechaicals that are a bit more tricky. I wouldnt shy away from that either but for that kind of money it appears you will be paying for POs mechanical problems and what else?
 
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Originally Posted by earthquake68
Man, you guys are pickier than the Corvette guys. It's a 47 year old truck. I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts NONE of your trucks are bone stock correct.

I see a nice truck with a couple minor issues. In all likelihood, it was a body swap to a newer chassis. ....So what? As long as the work is decent, who gives a crap if it's "correct"?
You see a 'nice' truck with a couple of "minor issues?" A truck w/a swapped 289 engine, with the wrong Styleside bed, are both red flags to people in the know.

Every truck and car I've ever owned, (including a 1965 F100 I bought new 3/1965, sold 11/2009) was bone stock because they are easier to sell this way.

Most dyed-in-the-wool Ford collectors will not buy something, especially this pile, that have been modified beyond belief.

Peeps swap parts without recording what they come from, then either they or subsequent owners have no clue when they fail.

What was the quality of the workmanship performed? Were the swapped parts installed correctly or were they mickey-moused (as usual)?

I've been in this hobby for over 50 years, owned 337 vehicles, 84 FoMoCo products. I've seen a lot of modified crap that I wouldn't pay a cent for.
 
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Originally Posted by Buzz44

I could give a rip about bondo in the body thats all somewhat easy to correct. Its the mechaicals that are a bit more tricky. I wouldnt shy away from that either but for that kind of money it appears you will be paying for POs mechanical problems and what else?
I'm just the opposite-I'm a pretty good mechanic, and these ol' trucks are pretty easy to work on. But I'd like to have something with a decent body to start with, cause my body work leaves something to be desired!
 
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You see a 'nice' truck with a couple of "minor issues?" A truck w/a swapped 289 engine, with the wrong Styleside bed, are both red flags to people in the know.

Every truck and car I've ever owned, (including a 1965 F100 I bought new 3/1965, sold 11/2009) was bone stock because they are easier to sell this way.

Most dyed-in-the-wool Ford collectors will not buy something, especially this pile, that have been modified beyond belief.

Peeps swap parts without recording what they come from, then either they or subsequent owners have no clue when they fail.

What was the quality of the workmanship performed? Were the swapped parts installed correctly or were they mickey-moused (as usual)?

I've been in this hobby for over 50 years, owned 337 vehicles, 84 FoMoCo products. I've seen a lot of modified crap that I wouldn't pay a cent for.
Obviously,I haven't been around as long as you have, and my vehicle list is "only" around 90 or so. Yes, I've seen some absolutely horrible "modifications" that are just not safe. That's where the whole "Buyer beware" thing comes into play. So, with this logic, a '34 Ford coupe with a hemi engine and pistol grip four speed and 9" rear are abominations NOBODY should own? When was the last time you saw a stock, correct '34 Ford at a car show? There's nothing wrong with a modified vehicle. I've owned a hotrod shop for the last 20+ years. I "know" plenty. Judging a vehicle from an internet picture is unfair. As I said, it's probably a body swap to a newer chassis. As long as the work is good, I don't give a crap what it is. As long as it appeals to me and is serviceable. This is where I make an appointment to look at the vehicle with my own two eyes and judge for myself and not assume anything based on some strange bias based on nothing but a bad experience.

I'm not trying to beat anybody up, but this guy didn't say, "factory correct" anywhere. Look at it, (in person) and decide if the work performed is good enough for your standards. It's just that easy. Again, looking at a far away shot on the internet gives absolutely NO indication how good or bad the work performed was. As far as the "garage door" where the radio belongs, it looks like a standard single din hole for an aftermarket stereo to me.

Ok, ...I'm done. No hard feeling or ill-will. It just bugs me when people jump to conclusions because something was changed from stock. Nobody says boo when they lift these trucks, or put aftermarket wheels on it, or put a high end stereo in it, etc. Where's the line? Ok, I'm really done now.
 
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It needs a small block chevy and one of those turbo 400s for it to be perfect.

Stock is fine if you like crude and rough for any 61 to 66 four wheel drive. Most today do not want something that can only be driven on side roads.

It is very rare to find a bone stock vehicle. Obviously modifications have been made to the truck. The first thing to check is to clarify that the truck is a actual Four Wheel Drive. A small block can be installed on the stock 240/300 six bell housing and a mount fabricated to support the front of the engine. I can make it look factory and i assume anyone with a similar skill level could also.

But that may not mean anything to the buyer that can not see past the shinny new paint. As to bondo? who knows? It may have been restored with all new sheet metal.

It looks decent, the only thing i see is the bed looks a bit off relative to the rear wheel.

There are thousands more 4x4s out there than ford ever built.

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I have a 289 in my crapcan and I love it.
 
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ok,,, nobody mentioned the puddle of antifreeze eeeking out from the engina and under the front tire,,,,, aside from the mismatch,, it might be a good base to start with,, I dont care for the the new paint the whole truck look,, but if you look at my Turquoise Turd,, I am not a big fan of the whole fancy paint thing either! All in all it would be worth a look,,, not a 3500 look,, but a look nonetheless,,,
 
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Originally Posted by earthquake68
Obviously,I haven't been around as long as you have, and my vehicle list is "only" around 90 or so. Yes, I've seen some absolutely horrible "modifications" that are just not safe. That's where the whole "Buyer beware" thing comes into play.

So, with this logic, a '34 Ford coupe with a hemi engine and pistol grip four speed and 9" rear are abominations NOBODY should own?

When was the last time you saw a stock, correct '34 Ford at a car show?
There is an all original 1933 or 1934 three window coupe at Early Ford Store (earlyfordstore.com) in San Dimas CA. I dunno if the owner takes it to car shows or not.

I cannot recall if it has one hood handle (1933) or two hood handles (1934) per side. The slant of the radiator shell is also different between 1933-1934, cannot recall that either.

You may see other "all originals" at an Early Ford V8 Club show. I haven't attended any of these shows in ten years, let my membership lapse, because I'd lost interest.

I'd love to own a 1933 or 1934 3 window or Vicky, but I haven't a chance of fitting in any 1933 or 1934 Ford. I'm taller than the oversized tub in my sig pic, but not quite as wide!

However, I can fit behind the wheel of my 1934 Packard V-12 Dietrich Convertible, I bought it in 1972 from the second owner.

The front fenders were spot painted before I bought it, I overhauled the engine, went thru the brakes and steering, replaced the tires, the rest is all original.

Two years ago, I sold an all original (including the tires) 1939 Packard Super 8 Sedan to a collector in Sweden. I bought it in 1978 from the original "little old lady in Pasadena."

Besides these two Packards, I've owned 58 others from 1921 thru 1956. Most were all original when I bought them, cuz that's what I look for when buying "old rolling piles of misery."
 


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