Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Super Duty/Heavy Duty > Super Duty & Heavy Duty
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


Super Duty & Heavy Duty 1999 to current Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines SPONSORED BY:




 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2012, 06:06 PM
jbounds's Avatar
jbounds jbounds is offline
Senior User
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Troy, NY
Posts: 197
jbounds is starting off with a positive reputation.
Need Help with front Axle Shaft removal

Hello again all, I have a E99 F350 7.3L 4x4 I know some or most of you have already probably replaced this part and or pulled a front axle shaft out. So here is my question...In the pictures provided you can see what I think everyone is calling a "Dust Seal" and as you can see it is bad and making a very terrible noise when i hit a bump...I was wondering what parts I would need to replace this seal? I tried looking it up and just get lost in all of the other things....I have found write-ups for the axle being removed while changing ball joints but none by it self to just replace this seal. If someone could please help me out and let me know what I need to replace this seal it would be greatly appreciated

Click the image to open in full size. Click the image to open in full size. Click the image to open in full size.
__________________

Justin NY Chapter Member #46
03/98 E' 99 F350 SC LB 4x4. Mods incl - Foil Delete, '04 headlights, MBRP 4" Exhaust, Muffler Delete, Riff Raff 6637 Intake Kit. Future mods to come.....like DP Tuner
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2012, 07:33 PM
1975StroppeBaja's Avatar
1975StroppeBaja 1975StroppeBaja is online now
Postmaster
2004 Ford F-250
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: WV
Posts: 2,925
1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold
I would be looking elsewhere for whatever noise you're hearing. Its highly unlikely that the dust seal is causing a terrible noise. I would check ball joints, sway bar bushings, shocks/mounts, track bar, steering linkage/tie rods, etc. That dust seal doesn't serve much purpose, and on most trucks its in alot worse shape than yours is.

But to answer your question, you could follow the steps in my writeup (link below) except you won't need to disconnect the tie rod end.

2004 F250 Ball Joint Replacement
__________________
Jason - 2004 F250 XLT Sport CC, 5.4L, 4.10LS, AT, JBA's & SPD y-pipe

Click - My Super Duty Tech Articles
1975 Baja Bronco Project
1984 Ranger 4x4 R.I.P Nov 2007
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 04-03-2012, 08:02 PM
Psyclopse's Avatar
Psyclopse Psyclopse is offline
Senior User
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 328
Psyclopse is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Grab ahold of the outer axle (the one that goes into the back of the hub/knuckle). If you can excessively move it up and down and side to side within the hub/knuckle assembly, then your noise is probably coming from the hub bearing assembly.
__________________
Joey
1999 F-250 SuperDuty
My dad's F-350 Crew
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 04-04-2012, 10:02 AM
jbounds's Avatar
jbounds jbounds is offline
Senior User
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Troy, NY
Posts: 197
jbounds is starting off with a positive reputation.
I have checked all the other bushings and my ball joints are new the mechanic said the wheel bearing was still good I can move that shaft up and down and I think its because of that seal....but I'm not sure.....I'm gonna try what you said and move the shaft on the wheel bearing side and see what happens
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 04-04-2012, 10:40 AM
iamrfixit iamrfixit is offline
Freshman User
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Iowa
Posts: 33
iamrfixit is starting off with a positive reputation.
Looks like the grease zerk in the upper ball joint has been hitting the U-joint.

The dust seal failing is not going to cause the axle movement, it really doesn't do much more than attempt to keep some of dust and dirt out of the axle tube. It doesn't really seal as much as it just fills the gap. The new seal design might do a better job but doesn't work with the older axle housing.

I would be looking into the condition of the needle bearing in the back of the hub assembly, the hub assembly bearings (wheel bearings) and the condition of the U-joint and the outer axle shaft where the needle bearing rides. Even when everything is tight and in good shape the axle shaft still has some up and down movement. My zerks do come close, but they never hit.

Anytime you pull the axle shaft it is a good idea to replace the knuckle seal and hub assembly O-ring. I also change the dust seal if I am in there. You will need to buy or make a seal driver to install the knuckle seal onto the axle shaft and set it into the knuckle when you install the axle shaft.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 04-04-2012, 03:40 PM
richsoucie's Avatar
richsoucie richsoucie is offline
Senior User
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 290
richsoucie is starting off with a positive reputation.
that seal is a joke i put a brand new one on my f250 when i did u joint on pass side 100 miles later and it was seperated in 2 pieces and dangling on the axle just like the one i took off totally worthless imo
__________________
Cpl. Lavigne-Soucie
USMC
3533 - Logistics Vehicle Systems Operator
(A.K.A - Dragon Master)
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 04-04-2012, 03:47 PM
1975StroppeBaja's Avatar
1975StroppeBaja 1975StroppeBaja is online now
Postmaster
2004 Ford F-250
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: WV
Posts: 2,925
1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold
As mentioned, that seal has nothing to do with axle movement.

To replace the dust seal you have to remove the wheel bearing assy, so you can inspect that yourself, also check the needle bearings and be sure to replace the big knuckle seal, as mentioned above.

Is the play on the "wheel side" of the axle u-joint, or the "differential side"? Could it be the bearings failing in the front differential?
__________________
Jason - 2004 F250 XLT Sport CC, 5.4L, 4.10LS, AT, JBA's & SPD y-pipe

Click - My Super Duty Tech Articles
1975 Baja Bronco Project
1984 Ranger 4x4 R.I.P Nov 2007
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 04-04-2012, 04:20 PM
jbounds's Avatar
jbounds jbounds is offline
Senior User
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Troy, NY
Posts: 197
jbounds is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1975StroppeBaja View Post
Is the play on the "wheel side" of the axle u-joint, or the "differential side"? Could it be the bearings failing in the front differential?
I checked it when I got home from work today...the play is on the wheel side of the axle joint. Does this mean that the needle bearing is bad? if so how are is it to replace it?
__________________

Justin NY Chapter Member #46
03/98 E' 99 F350 SC LB 4x4. Mods incl - Foil Delete, '04 headlights, MBRP 4" Exhaust, Muffler Delete, Riff Raff 6637 Intake Kit. Future mods to come.....like DP Tuner
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 04-04-2012, 09:17 PM
1975StroppeBaja's Avatar
1975StroppeBaja 1975StroppeBaja is online now
Postmaster
2004 Ford F-250
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: WV
Posts: 2,925
1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold
That's definitely a possibility.

If you're taking it apart to replace that dust seal, you'll have the wheel bearing assy removed and its on the backside of the assy. There's talk about that in the write up I linked above, with a separate write up that covers the needle bearing.

See: 2004 F250 Needle Bearing Replacement

If you happen to find that your needle bearings are shot, be sure to check the outer shaft of the axle. It could be damaged as well.
__________________
Jason - 2004 F250 XLT Sport CC, 5.4L, 4.10LS, AT, JBA's & SPD y-pipe

Click - My Super Duty Tech Articles
1975 Baja Bronco Project
1984 Ranger 4x4 R.I.P Nov 2007
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 04-05-2012, 06:13 AM
jbounds's Avatar
jbounds jbounds is offline
Senior User
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Troy, NY
Posts: 197
jbounds is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1975StroppeBaja View Post
If you happen to find that your needle bearings are shot, be sure to check the outer shaft of the axle. It could be damaged as well.
Yes I made sure I checked for play in the other side as well and found a little bit of movement but not much. Im gonna grab 2 of everything and throw new bearings and seals in. and Hopefully thats my problem because I cant seem to find anything else. Thanks again.
__________________

Justin NY Chapter Member #46
03/98 E' 99 F350 SC LB 4x4. Mods incl - Foil Delete, '04 headlights, MBRP 4" Exhaust, Muffler Delete, Riff Raff 6637 Intake Kit. Future mods to come.....like DP Tuner
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 04-10-2012, 07:39 PM
jbounds's Avatar
jbounds jbounds is offline
Senior User
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Troy, NY
Posts: 197
jbounds is starting off with a positive reputation.
Hey guys just figured I would give you an update. I replaced the Driver side Needle Bearing and no noise as of yet *knock on wood* Im glad you guys pointed me to it because the bearing I took out was pretty much completely frozen. The pass side isnt making any noise so Im going to replace it anyways so it better to be safe than sorry. Thanks again guys!
__________________

Justin NY Chapter Member #46
03/98 E' 99 F350 SC LB 4x4. Mods incl - Foil Delete, '04 headlights, MBRP 4" Exhaust, Muffler Delete, Riff Raff 6637 Intake Kit. Future mods to come.....like DP Tuner
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 04-10-2012, 08:29 PM
1975StroppeBaja's Avatar
1975StroppeBaja 1975StroppeBaja is online now
Postmaster
2004 Ford F-250
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: WV
Posts: 2,925
1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold1975StroppeBaja is a splendid one to behold
Good deal! Hope it works out for you. Good call on replacing the other side too.
__________________
Jason - 2004 F250 XLT Sport CC, 5.4L, 4.10LS, AT, JBA's & SPD y-pipe

Click - My Super Duty Tech Articles
1975 Baja Bronco Project
1984 Ranger 4x4 R.I.P Nov 2007
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 02-15-2013, 06:35 PM
Beanstein Beanstein is offline
New User
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 2
Beanstein is starting off with a positive reputation.
2003 F-250

I broke my front drivers side outer axle, axle broke flush with the hub/inner side by nut and I got it apart up to taking the hub assembly off..cant figure out how to pull the knuckle assembly and inner axle out? please help
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 02-15-2013, 09:43 PM
Nicmike's Avatar
Nicmike Nicmike is offline
Proud Sheepdog
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Bastrop, TX
Posts: 1,781
Nicmike has much to be proud ofNicmike has much to be proud ofNicmike has much to be proud ofNicmike has much to be proud ofNicmike has much to be proud ofNicmike has much to be proud ofNicmike has much to be proud ofNicmike has much to be proud ofNicmike has much to be proud of
Easiest way is with an air chisel on the backside of the knuckle seal. Get a pointed chisel and grind it down flat so it doesn't punch through the seal easily. Keep the chisel moving around the perimeter of the seal (it is metal), and it takes about 15 seconds to get the shaft out. Alternative is to use a punch and hammer, or a prybar against the u-joint. These take much longer and are much more work

No need to remove knuckle to pull axle.
__________________
Mike
2001 Excursion 4x4 7.3L, 4" turbo back, AIS, 910 Springs, Melling M208, HPx, FRx, Bellowed, Hutched, V coded, AIH/EBPV/foil delete, F350 rear sway, Derale tranny pan, drilled/slotted, T444e water pump, Fumoto, Glowshift TM/DV - EGT fuel and boost, 231k All modifications installed by ME!
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 02-16-2013, 08:06 AM
Beanstein Beanstein is offline
New User
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 2
Beanstein is starting off with a positive reputation.
2003 F-250 7.3

Ok, thanks a lot will try that today.. I am also replacing the knuckle u-joint and dust/spindle seal, would you recommend doing anything else why I have it apart? I have 130,000 miles on the truck
Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2013, 08:06 AM
Reply

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Super Duty/Heavy Duty > Super Duty & Heavy Duty

Tags
03, 07, 2006, 4x4, axle, duty, escape, f250, ford, front, outer, removal, remove, shaft, super

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:05 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.5.2 ©2010, Crawlability, Inc.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Ford® is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.



 
vbulletin Admin Backup