Premium vs Midgrade Octane - Ecoboost - MPG
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Premium vs Midgrade Octane - Ecoboost - MPG
Hey all,
I've heard mixed raves about the Ecoboost and using Premium fuel greatly enhancing the preformance and slightly increasing MPG but has anyone done any real studies to see if the Midgrade 89 Octane rating vs the Premium 91 (I believe these are the number ratings in Iowa) show any real results?
Is it worth the extra 20 cents a gallon, does it pay you back in the long run?
Any thoughts as if it does make a bit of difference I'd be glad to start using it only if the whopping 2+ Octane rating makes a difference.
I've heard mixed raves about the Ecoboost and using Premium fuel greatly enhancing the preformance and slightly increasing MPG but has anyone done any real studies to see if the Midgrade 89 Octane rating vs the Premium 91 (I believe these are the number ratings in Iowa) show any real results?
Is it worth the extra 20 cents a gallon, does it pay you back in the long run?
Any thoughts as if it does make a bit of difference I'd be glad to start using it only if the whopping 2+ Octane rating makes a difference.
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I don't think you'll see any difference in MPGs going from 89-91.
IMO, if you can find some gas without 10% ethanol in it (regardless of octane) that would make the biggest difference. Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada
Unfortunately it's too far for me to travel to get ethanol free gas.
IMO, if you can find some gas without 10% ethanol in it (regardless of octane) that would make the biggest difference. Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada
Unfortunately it's too far for me to travel to get ethanol free gas.
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Premium (and mid-grade) fuel does not have any additional energy per volume (providing they both have the same ethanol content).
It does however, allow the PCM to advance the timing. If you typically drive with a heavy right foot or do a lot of towing (and continue to after filiing up with premium), then the increase in power MAY help your MPG.
Another very likely contributor to the apparent increase is your driving habits. Subconsciously (or even consciously) you have altered your driving habits knowing you just spent 10-15% MORE for that tank of gas.
In other words, if you drive the same, under the same load conditions, and under in the same environment, premium (and mid-grade) will not increase your MPG.
EDIT:
Even the gasoline manufacturers do not recommend higher octane as a way to increase MPG.
Gasoline Information, Octane Levels - Exxon.com
It does however, allow the PCM to advance the timing. If you typically drive with a heavy right foot or do a lot of towing (and continue to after filiing up with premium), then the increase in power MAY help your MPG.
Another very likely contributor to the apparent increase is your driving habits. Subconsciously (or even consciously) you have altered your driving habits knowing you just spent 10-15% MORE for that tank of gas.
In other words, if you drive the same, under the same load conditions, and under in the same environment, premium (and mid-grade) will not increase your MPG.
EDIT:
Even the gasoline manufacturers do not recommend higher octane as a way to increase MPG.
Gasoline Information, Octane Levels - Exxon.com
Other than price, what is the difference between regular, midgrade, and premium gasoline?
Gasolines are rated based on octane. In most areas of the country our regular gasoline is 87 octane, midgrade is 89 and premium is 91 – 93. If you check your owner’s manual, you’ll find the recommended level for your engine.
Why should I follow my owner’s manual and choose mid or high-octane fuel? Isn’t gas just gas?
To get the best performance out of your vehicle, you should use the octane recommended in your owner’s manual. Most vehicles do not benefit from a higher octane level than what is recommended but using a lower octane than recommended can cause engine knocking or pinging in some cars.
Gasolines are rated based on octane. In most areas of the country our regular gasoline is 87 octane, midgrade is 89 and premium is 91 – 93. If you check your owner’s manual, you’ll find the recommended level for your engine.
Why should I follow my owner’s manual and choose mid or high-octane fuel? Isn’t gas just gas?
To get the best performance out of your vehicle, you should use the octane recommended in your owner’s manual. Most vehicles do not benefit from a higher octane level than what is recommended but using a lower octane than recommended can cause engine knocking or pinging in some cars.
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Mike from 5-star tuning (which also coincides with what it says in the manual) specifically told me that the ECU has two maps programmed in it; one for 89 octane and one for 91. The ECU is very good about listening for knock and advancing timing with 91 octane, which in return yields more power and better fuel economy. Running 93 on the other hand would be pointless since there's no map for it.
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Premium (and mid-grade) fuel does not have any additional energy per volume (providing they both have the same ethanol content).
It does however, allow the PCM to advance the timing. If you typically drive with a heavy right foot or do a lot of towing (and continue to after filiing up with premium), then the increase in power MAY help your MPG.
Another very likely contributor to the apparent increase is your driving habits. Subconsciously (or even consciously) you have altered your driving habits knowing you just spent 10-15% MORE for that tank of gas.
In other words, if you drive the same, under the same load conditions, and under in the same environment, premium (and mid-grade) will not increase your MPG.
EDIT:
Even the gasoline manufacturers do not recommend higher octane as a way to increase MPG.
Gasoline Information, Octane Levels - Exxon.com
It does however, allow the PCM to advance the timing. If you typically drive with a heavy right foot or do a lot of towing (and continue to after filiing up with premium), then the increase in power MAY help your MPG.
Another very likely contributor to the apparent increase is your driving habits. Subconsciously (or even consciously) you have altered your driving habits knowing you just spent 10-15% MORE for that tank of gas.
In other words, if you drive the same, under the same load conditions, and under in the same environment, premium (and mid-grade) will not increase your MPG.
EDIT:
Even the gasoline manufacturers do not recommend higher octane as a way to increase MPG.
Gasoline Information, Octane Levels - Exxon.com
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I have now towed with premium and with regular - the result is that I ended up with an average of 9.8 mpg using premium vs. 10.3 mpg with regular. Not very scientific because the two trips were to a different destination - but overall same elevation gain of zero. I account this difference to wind differences, and whatever else. I think it does not make much of a difference, and is probably a waste of time to even think about, LOL. The truck tows very well with regular, does not knock, so I think that's what it will be.
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Mike from 5-star tuning (which also coincides with what it says in the manual) specifically told me that the ECU has two maps programmed in it; one for 89 octane and one for 91. The ECU is very good about listening for knock and advancing timing with 91 octane, which in return yields more power and better fuel economy. Running 93 on the other hand would be pointless since there's no map for it.
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Octane rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Octane rating does not relate to the energy content of the fuel (see heating value). It is only a measure of the fuel's tendency to burn in a controlled manner, rather than exploding in an uncontrolled manner. Where the octane number is raised by blending in ethanol, energy content per volume is reduced.
GGE - Gasoline Gallon Equivalent (US Gallons) tables
<TABLE class="wikitable sortable jquery-tablesorter"><CAPTION>GGE Calculated for Gasoline in US Gallons at 114,000 BTU per Gallon</CAPTION><THEAD><TR><TH class=headerSort title="Sort ascending">Fuel - Liquid, US Gallons</TH><TH class=headerSort title="Sort ascending">GGE</TH><TH class=headerSort title="Sort ascending">GGE %</TH><TH class=headerSort title="Sort ascending">BTU/Gal</TH><TH class=headerSort title="Sort ascending">kWh/Gal</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR><TD>Gasoline (base)<SUP id=cite_ref-epa_1-0 class=reference>[2]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>1.0000</TD><TD align=right>100.00%</TD><TD align=right>114,000</TD><TD align=right>33.41</TD></TR><TR><TD>Gasoline (conventional, summer)<SUP id=cite_ref-epa_1-1 class=reference>[2]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>0.9960</TD><TD align=right>100.40%</TD><TD align=right>114,500</TD><TD align=right>33.56</TD></TR><TR><TD>Gasoline (conventional, winter)<SUP id=cite_ref-epa_1-2 class=reference>[2]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>1.0130</TD><TD align=right>98.72%</TD><TD align=right>112,500</TD><TD align=right>32.97</TD></TR><TR><TD>Gasoline (reformulated gasoline, ethanol)<SUP id=cite_ref-epa_1-3 class=reference>[2]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>1.0190</TD><TD align=right>98.14%</TD><TD align=right>111,836</TD><TD align=right>32.78</TD></TR><TR><TD>Gasoline (reformulated gasoline, ETBE)<SUP id=cite_ref-epa_1-4 class=reference>[2]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>1.0190</TD><TD align=right>98.14%</TD><TD align=right>111,811</TD><TD align=right>32.77</TD></TR><TR><TD>Gasoline (reformulated gasoline, MTBE)<SUP id=cite_ref-epa_1-5 class=reference>[2]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>1.0200</TD><TD align=right>98.04%</TD><TD align=right>111,745</TD><TD align=right>32.75</TD></TR><TR><TD>Gasoline (10% MBTE)<SUP id=cite_ref-nafa_2-0 class=reference>[3]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>1.0200</TD><TD align=right>98.04%</TD><TD align=right>112,000</TD><TD align=right>32.83</TD></TR><TR><TD>Gasoline (regular unleaded)<SUP id=cite_ref-about_3-0 class=reference>[4]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>1.0000</TD><TD align=right>100.00%</TD><TD align=right>114,100</TD><TD align=right>33.44</TD></TR><TR><TD>Diesel #2<SUP id=cite_ref-about_3-1 class=reference>[4]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>0.8800</TD><TD align=right>113.64%</TD><TD align=right>129,500</TD><TD align=right>37.95</TD></TR><TR><TD>Biodiesel (B100)<SUP id=cite_ref-about_3-2 class=reference>[4]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>0.9600</TD><TD align=right>104.17%</TD><TD align=right>118,300</TD><TD align=right>34.80</TD></TR><TR><TD>Bio Diesel (B20)<SUP id=cite_ref-about_3-3 class=reference>[4]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>0.9000</TD><TD align=right>111.11%</TD><TD align=right>127,250</TD><TD align=right>37.12</TD></TR><TR><TD>Liquid natural gas (LNG)<SUP id=cite_ref-about_3-4 class=reference>[4]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>1.5362</TD><TD align=right>65.10%</TD><TD align=right>75,000</TD><TD align=right>21.75</TD></TR><TR><TD>Liquefied petroleum gas (propane) (LPG)<SUP id=cite_ref-about_3-5 class=reference>[4]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>1.3500</TD><TD align=right>74.04%</TD><TD align=right>84,300</TD><TD align=right>24.75</TD></TR><TR><TD>Methanol fuel (M100)<SUP id=cite_ref-about_3-6 class=reference>[4]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>2.0100</TD><TD align=right>49.75%</TD><TD align=right>56,800</TD><TD align=right>16.62</TD></TR><TR><TD>Ethanol fuel (E100)<SUP id=cite_ref-about_3-7 class=reference>[4]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>1.5000</TD><TD align=right>66.67%</TD><TD align=right>76,100</TD><TD align=right>22.27</TD></TR><TR><TD>Ethanol (E85)<SUP id=cite_ref-about_3-8 class=reference>[4]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>1.3900</TD><TD align=right>71.94%</TD><TD align=right>81,800</TD><TD align=right>24.04</TD></TR><TR><TD>Jet fuel (naphtha)<SUP id=cite_ref-doe_4-0 class=reference>[5]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>0.9700</TD><TD align=right>103.09%</TD><TD align=right>118,700</TD><TD align=right>34.44</TD></TR><TR><TD>Jet fuel (kerosene)<SUP id=cite_ref-doe_4-1 class=reference>[5]</SUP></TD><TD align=right>0.9000</TD><TD align=right>111.11%</TD><TD align=right>128,100</TD><TD align=right>37.12</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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Johbar can correct me if i'm wrong, but i think what he is referring to is the potential for better economy due to the increase in ignition timing.
the computer in the truck WILL increase the ignition timing if a higher octane fuel is used. particularly at low RPM where there is not much spark lead by nature, an increase in timing will provide for considerable opportunity for better combustion and more complete burn, thus better fuel economy.
most engines do not *require* high octane fuel, many do not have different spark maps to accomodate the higher octane fuel. Ecoboost does, so there is a potential for better performance and fuel economy if it is used. not saying it will or it wont, just that the potential is there.
Shotgunz, thanks for posting the chart!
one thing i found VERY interesting is the fact that E10 has almost the same energy content as gasoline+MTBE.
the computer in the truck WILL increase the ignition timing if a higher octane fuel is used. particularly at low RPM where there is not much spark lead by nature, an increase in timing will provide for considerable opportunity for better combustion and more complete burn, thus better fuel economy.
most engines do not *require* high octane fuel, many do not have different spark maps to accomodate the higher octane fuel. Ecoboost does, so there is a potential for better performance and fuel economy if it is used. not saying it will or it wont, just that the potential is there.
Shotgunz, thanks for posting the chart!
one thing i found VERY interesting is the fact that E10 has almost the same energy content as gasoline+MTBE.
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