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Old 03-26-2012, 12:14 PM
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The stuff I read is that payload is 3300 lbs. But I looked on drivers side door pillar and based on six occupants and cargo my "safe" payload is 2339 lbs. If pin weight of fiver is 2100 lbs. and hitch weighs 200 lbs then I am at max capacity assuming I am carrying four other people and some cargo.

What average weight of occupants is assumed?
Maybe someone can give me actual scenario of what extra lbs. I have to play with between hitch pin wt. and payload (either 2339 or 3300 lbs.)
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When I read 3,300# payload in your other thread, I wondered where you got that number. Because it seems pretty high to me. Is payload printed on your door pillar sticker? If you've got a GVWR of 10,000# (the highest possible for an F250) and a 3,300# payload rating, that means your truck only weighs 6,700#. Which might be true of a XL gasser regular cab. But not true of a Lariat diesel crewcab.

As I understand it, GVWR is figured with one driver that weighs 150#, and a full tank of fuel, no passengers, no optional equipment. Subtract the actual weight of the truck from the GVWR, and that gives you the payload. In other words, whatever is left over from the GVWR is available payload.

I think the best thing you can do is fill up with fuel and head to the scales. Weigh the truck with you in it. Subtract that from the GVWR, and that is your actual net payload.

Perhaps more important is to weigh just your rear axle. Then check your RAWR on the door sticker. Do the math, and that will tell you how much you can put on the fiver hitch. Almost all of the trailer pin weight will be on the rear axle, and a neglible amount transfers to the front axle. These numbers are usually in your favor when it comes to fivers/gooseneck. You may be over the GVWR, but still within each axle weight, which is what matters most.
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Thanks for you input. The 3300# is stated on various websites including :
ford.com/trucks/superduty and click on payload package selector. I guess I will have to do the scale thing.
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If the sticker says 2339 and the fiver is 2100, you are going to be illegal. If you are within axle rating, you may not be unsafe, but you will be illegal. Is the 2100 pin weight, "published" or actually weighed loaded and ready to go?

Looks like you should scale the truck, fiver and each axle if you can.....
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If the truck's weight is greater than GVWR, what makes that illegal?
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Old 03-29-2012, 09:58 AM
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If the truck's weight is greater than GVWR, what makes that illegal?
THAT is illegal. Being over the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) is illegal. What do you think the DOT does with those scales??????
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The stuff I read is that payload is 3300 lbs. But I looked on drivers side door pillar and based on six occupants and cargo my "safe" payload is 2339 lbs. If pin weight of fiver is 2100 lbs. and hitch weighs 200 lbs then I am at max capacity assuming I am carrying four other people and some cargo.

What average weight of occupants is assumed?
Maybe someone can give me actual scenario of what extra lbs. I have to play with between hitch pin wt. and payload (either 2339 or 3300 lbs.)
The published payloads of 3300 lbs is for a stripped down version with ONE 150 lb occupant plus full fuel load. Every pound added to that stripper truck is taken away from payload. By the time ac, power doors, windows, sunroof, leather, 4x4 and other option are added your payload is reduced to the number on the door. My f250 lariat, crew cab 4x4 has a payload of 2580lbs according to the door sticker. Pin weight, passengers and luggage should not exceed the payload number. The good news is that your axles,frame and suspension are designed to greater tolerances than the payload number for our f250's so exceeding the payload number is not going to break everything. The illegalities of exceeding GVWR is debatable.
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THAT is illegal. Being over the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) is illegal. What do you think the DOT does with those scales??????
My pickup truck is a personal vehicle, and I've never spoken to a DOT agent. They turn their nose up at me and won't even let me use their scales in CA. I feel snubbed! I've driven my truck all over the western states, and never had to enter the check station.

If you don't look overloaded, you won't have a legal issue with a recreational trailer.
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If the sticker says 2339 and the fiver is 2100, you are going to be illegal. If you are within axle rating, you may not be unsafe, but you will be illegal. Is the 2100 pin weight, "published" or actually weighed loaded and ready to go?

Looks like you should scale the truck, fiver and each axle if you can.....
Please provide a link to a law in any state (or even federal) that says if the OP , driving a non-commercial vehicle, exceeds his rated load capacity of 2100 pounds he will be running "illegal. "

You're splitting hairs. 2-300 pounds extra is not going to break anything. His truck can handle the pin weight without issues. I'd install air bags on the rear and hit the road.
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It gets pretty complicated in last years. The laws about heavy pickups are very old, but they were not enforced till the states start going bankrupt and the Police was send to generate more revenue.
In CA any vehicle above 10,000 lb GVW is required to have commercial CA number and commercial insurance. Lot of states follow as this bring big money for the state. You can get away with it if you register your truck as an RV and never remove camper shell, or 5th wheel hitch.
That said, DOT never check the vehicle GCVW and as long as you pay the registration for the weight you are carrying and don't pose road hazard -they don't care.
If you pay attention on the road, you will notice lot of 1-ton pickups pulling 30,000 lb gooseneck trailers COMMERCIALLY.
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