Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Super Duty/Heavy Duty > Super Duty & Heavy Duty
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


Super Duty & Heavy Duty 1999 to current Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines SPONSORED BY:

Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 02-27-2012, 12:18 PM
waystro waystro is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 117
waystro is starting off with a positive reputation.
FORD TRUCK QUESTION

is the newer ford diesel's better than the old 1986's to 1996 just wondering because i have a 2011 chevy duramax diesel and thinking about buying a newer ford truck
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-27-2012, 12:26 PM
texastech_diesel's Avatar
texastech_diesel texastech_diesel is offline
Disgruntled Texan
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Justin, TX
Posts: 5,550
texastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputationtexastech_diesel has a superb reputation
More power with better efficiency, in a more functional overall package.

If you have a 2011 Chevy than you can already tell the difference between it and a truck made 25 years ago. Comparing the 6.7L to an IDI is like comparing a Porsche 911 with a Model T, there's just so much different with it that drawing direct comparisons is difficult.
__________________
Bryan- 2007 F-250 FX4 6.0L

I'm all jacked up on America right now! Anyone want to hear me recite the Constitution?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-27-2012, 09:44 PM
BrockwayMT BrockwayMT is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 215
BrockwayMT is starting off with a positive reputation.
No the new Ford Diesel is not like the 6.9 and 7.3 because they were manufactured in Indianapolis or Huntsville. Your Duramax was made in Moraine, OH. The 6.7 is made my low dollar labor in Chihuaha.
__________________
Magna Powertrain doesn't like my disparaging commentary. I don't like Magna Powertrain, their business ethics, or their Mexican-made transfer case products.

'09 F-250 4x4 5.4/ZF/271
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-28-2012, 02:40 PM
ccerniglia's Avatar
ccerniglia ccerniglia is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Bristol, CT
Posts: 486
ccerniglia is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.ccerniglia is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrockwayMT View Post
No the new Ford Diesel is not like the 6.9 and 7.3 because they were manufactured in Indianapolis or Huntsville. Your Duramax was made in Moraine, OH. The 6.7 is made my low dollar labor in Chihuaha.

So it's made by mexicans, and is the most powerful engine to ever go into a Ford production truck.
__________________
Chris Connecticut Chapter Parts Counterman

Rides:
2006 Mazdaspeed 6 GT
2003 F-250 Super Duty XLT FX4 Sport Crew Cab .

Last edited by TigerDan; 02-28-2012 at 09:39 PM. Reason: Removed racist comment
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-28-2012, 02:51 PM
dkf's Avatar
dkf dkf is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Pa
Posts: 9,303
dkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to beholddkf is a splendid one to behold
It depends what you consider "better". A lot more power but as far as reliability goes I wouldn't consider the new ones "better".
__________________
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." (Thomas Jefferson)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-28-2012, 04:21 PM
ccerniglia's Avatar
ccerniglia ccerniglia is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Bristol, CT
Posts: 486
ccerniglia is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.ccerniglia is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dkf View Post
It depends what you consider "better". A lot more power but as far as reliability goes I wouldn't consider the new ones "better".

The 6.7L has already surpassed the Blue Diamond engines in reliability. Ford did a great job building their own.
__________________
Chris Connecticut Chapter Parts Counterman

Rides:
2006 Mazdaspeed 6 GT
2003 F-250 Super Duty XLT FX4 Sport Crew Cab .
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-01-2012, 08:35 PM
BrockwayMT BrockwayMT is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 215
BrockwayMT is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ccerniglia View Post
So it's made by mexicans, and is the most powerful engine to ever go into a Ford production truck.

As for the reliability comment, what's the source? In the short term I think a newer diesel is a good choice. After warranty I'm not sure. When these newer SCR trucks get to be 5-10 years I think repair cost could be terrible. DPFs, DEF nozzles, DEF heaters, level sensors, all that stuff is going to be very costly. One could surmise that the SCR engines will have less EGR related issues than high EGR engines (6.4, 6.7 Cummins) but that could be offset by the aforementioned SCR related hardware.

I'm a Ford fan but if you have a 2011 Duramax I don't see a compelling reason to switch to Ford. If you had a 2010 or older and have a plow or heavy front end I'd recommend the Ford but the front suspension on the GM truck got beefed up well for 2011.
__________________
Magna Powertrain doesn't like my disparaging commentary. I don't like Magna Powertrain, their business ethics, or their Mexican-made transfer case products.

'09 F-250 4x4 5.4/ZF/271
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-01-2012, 10:39 PM
A/Ox4's Avatar
A/Ox4 A/Ox4 is offline
9 ECHO 1
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Ventura, CA
Posts: 11,668
A/Ox4 has a superb reputationA/Ox4 has a superb reputationA/Ox4 has a superb reputationA/Ox4 has a superb reputationA/Ox4 has a superb reputationA/Ox4 has a superb reputationA/Ox4 has a superb reputationA/Ox4 has a superb reputationA/Ox4 has a superb reputationA/Ox4 has a superb reputationA/Ox4 has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrockwayMT View Post
No the new Ford Diesel is not like the 6.9 and 7.3 because they were manufactured in Indianapolis or Huntsville. Your Duramax was made in Moraine, OH. The 6.7 is made my low dollar labor in Chihuaha.
The Duramax is made by isuzu. I dont care where it's made.. its made by isuzu.
__________________
- Trey PAA Member #110
2002 F250 XLT CrewCab Short Bed 4x4 7.3L
My How-To Video Library
SoCal Chapter Member (Join us HERE)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-02-2012, 08:07 AM
Snowseeker's Avatar
Snowseeker Snowseeker is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Stevens Point, WI
Posts: 10,138
Snowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by waystro View Post
is the newer ford diesel's better than the old 1986's to 1996 just wondering because i have a 2011 chevy duramax diesel and thinking about buying a newer ford truck


NO. Everything after the 2003 7.3 is unreliable. The early 86-96 diesels that you are talking about were very reliable but just a little underpowered. IMO the 01-03 7.3 was the very best diesel ever offered in any truck! After saying this someone always chimes in and claims cummins is best but I like being able to talk to my passengers while driving.
__________________
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=272341&dateline=13273  66346
03 7.3 EB AIH delete, jetted dead head fix, 06 front end with custom fab bumper, oil changes.
04 6.0 XLT Studs, stealth egr delete, and some other stuff. 'Chitty' - Sold.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/VPT/244788508917829
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-02-2012, 08:09 AM
Snowseeker's Avatar
Snowseeker Snowseeker is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Stevens Point, WI
Posts: 10,138
Snowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrockwayMT View Post
As for the reliability comment, what's the source? In the short term I think a newer diesel is a good choice. After warranty I'm not sure.

Ford doesn't honer their warranties on diesels anymore.
__________________
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=272341&dateline=13273  66346
03 7.3 EB AIH delete, jetted dead head fix, 06 front end with custom fab bumper, oil changes.
04 6.0 XLT Studs, stealth egr delete, and some other stuff. 'Chitty' - Sold.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/VPT/244788508917829
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-02-2012, 10:33 PM
Powerstrokin_350's Avatar
Powerstrokin_350 Powerstrokin_350 is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 194
Powerstrokin_350 is starting off with a positive reputation.
Ive had a 2003 6.0, Loved it!!! 1 injector and 1 turbo service/cleaning after 190,000km.

I had a 2003 7.3 in a crew truck, it was a machine to be reckoned with!!

My grandpa has a 97 7.3, 290,000 km, only work ever done was 1 valve and a piston after he revved it to 4200rpm trying to get unstuck with a stock trailer.

I have also had a 1994 and a 2001 5.9 Cummins, I loved them too, although the 2001 gave me more issues than my 6L did. All great engines.

Uncle has a Duramax, 2003, Never touched it after 250,000km

Long story short, It does not matter where they are made, It doesnt matter what you hear, they all are good depending what you are asking from it. And to quote user dkf sig from a few posts previous to mine (With the wrong tires and the right idiot any truck can get stuck... ) I would say, with any diesel truck, and the right idiot, any diesel can blow and be a pos!!

Just my opinion...
__________________
2005 F450 CCLB Lariat 4X4 12V Cummins
Super 60, S110, 8" lift, 22.5" magnums, 41" toyo M610ZL
Too much to list...

Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-03-2012, 02:59 AM
kbuchheit's Avatar
kbuchheit kbuchheit is offline
Freshman User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 37
kbuchheit is starting off with a positive reputation.
My 99 7.3 is nearly flawless. Have only replaced a camshaft position sensor and glow plug harness.

My 2004 6.0 has a few more issues but I love the power it has and has been fairly easy to work on. (especially with the help of the guys on the 6.0 forum!)

Bottom line, my father in law works at Ford and I get A-Plan pricing. Kinda hard to buy something else!
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-03-2012, 09:13 AM
Snowseeker's Avatar
Snowseeker Snowseeker is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Stevens Point, WI
Posts: 10,138
Snowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputationSnowseeker has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powerstrokin_350 View Post
Ive had a 2003 6.0, Loved it!!! 1 injector and 1 turbo service/cleaning after 190,000km.

I had a 2003 7.3 in a crew truck, it was a machine to be reckoned with!!

My grandpa has a 97 7.3, 290,000 km, only work ever done was 1 valve and a piston after he revved it to 4200rpm trying to get unstuck with a stock trailer.

I have also had a 1994 and a 2001 5.9 Cummins, I loved them too, although the 2001 gave me more issues than my 6L did. All great engines.

Uncle has a Duramax, 2003, Never touched it after 250,000km

Long story short, It does not matter where they are made, It doesnt matter what you hear, they all are good depending what you are asking from it. And to quote user dkf sig from a few posts previous to mine (With the wrong tires and the right idiot any truck can get stuck... ) I would say, with any diesel truck, and the right idiot, any diesel can blow and be a pos!!

Just my opinion...

What is 190,000km in miles?

When I talk about reliable I am talking about 200,000 - 300,000 miles or more without problems. Pre 100,000 miles you shouldn't have to worry about anything but gas and oil with any vehicle.

ALL of our ford work trucks have over 300,000 on the clocks. A couple over 400,000 miles. On our 400K+ 6.9 and 7.3 diesels all we had to ever put in was a high pressure fuel pump in each and a lifter in the 7.3 at 375,000 miles. THAT is reliable.
__________________
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=272341&dateline=13273  66346
03 7.3 EB AIH delete, jetted dead head fix, 06 front end with custom fab bumper, oil changes.
04 6.0 XLT Studs, stealth egr delete, and some other stuff. 'Chitty' - Sold.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/VPT/244788508917829
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-03-2012, 09:22 AM
jmiley jmiley is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 214
jmiley is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ccerniglia View Post
The 6.7L has already surpassed the Blue Diamond engines in reliability. Ford did a great job building their own.
It is too soon to tell if the 6.7 is a good engine, it has been out for less than 2 years.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 03-03-2012, 09:33 AM
jmiley jmiley is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 214
jmiley is starting off with a positive reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowseeker View Post
What is 190,000km in miles?

When I talk about reliable I am talking about 200,000 - 300,000 miles or more without problems. Pre 100,000 miles you shouldn't have to worry about anything but gas and oil with any vehicle.

ALL of our ford work trucks have over 300,000 on the clocks. A couple over 400,000 miles. On our 400K+ 6.9 and 7.3 diesels all we had to ever put in was a high pressure fuel pump in each and a lifter in the 7.3 at 375,000 miles. THAT is reliable.
I have 242,000 miles on a 2000 5.4 gas engine, no engine problems at all, still one original spark plug.

The only parts other than oil changes, brakes and tires that I have replaced is

Alternator
Starter (I think, can't be certain)
Fuel pump
Serpentine belt
Battery
Light bulb in dash panel
Flushed transmisson once
Changed engine coolant once or twice.

It is a 8,800 GVWR truck, the way it was loaded for everyday use it weighed 9,000 lbs, I would sometimes put another 2-3,000 lbs in the bed and would tow a 4,000 lb trailer with a load up to about 20,000 lbs.

It has a 4.10 LS rear end, 2wd, people say the 5.4 was underpowered and anemic, I never had an issue with where I felt it was underpowered.

I was surprised to find the old 7.3 had 265 hp and 500 ft lbs of torque, my 6.2 has 385 hp and 405 ft lbs of torque, it seems like Ford has made some substantial improvements to their gas engines, I just hope the 6.2 is as good as the old 5.4.
Reply With Quote
Old 03-03-2012, 09:33 AM
 
 
 
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
7.3 OBDII in CA? GuitarJesus 1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 14 08-04-2014 04:31 PM
Highboy body on a newer style diesel? R50 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 3 09-23-2012 10:34 AM
Upgrading! planofootball19 Super Duty & Heavy Duty 15 01-12-2012 11:50 PM
Newer Ford seats in an old truck? SouthernFord85 1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 13 11-30-2010 02:30 PM
Looking for Knoxville Area Junkyard TN-W124 Diesel Tennessee Chapter 5 02-14-2005 01:38 PM


Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Super Duty/Heavy Duty > Super Duty & Heavy Duty

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


Participate In The Forums

Create new posts and participate in discussions. It's free!

Sign Up »





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 AC1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Ford® is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup