as i used to say, if all those other glow plugs are so damn good, why did ford decide to use the motorcraft/beru glow plugs instead of one of the other "better" brands.
each system is designed to use a certain glow plug.
Motorcraft/beru glow plugs for Fords.
AC Delco or champions for Chevy.
bosch for some of the imports.
wellman/Diesel Rx for 24 volt military chevys
I'd agree with that except it seems ford sell many overpriced and worse part some of the time.. $1000 for an idm? When you can find them for 250 else where.
So I guess that if ford always uses the best parts, there is no need for us to mod, or upgrade, right?
Any how I'm picking up the motercraft today.
But if othe gp s ther is not much of a difference, and don't break off in the block. Is sure woth it.
I'd agree with that except it seems ford sell many overpriced and worse part some of the time.. $1000 for an idm? When you can find them for 250 else where.
So I guess that if ford always uses the best parts, there is no need for us to mod, or upgrade, right?.
sorry if the way i said that made you take it the wrong way.
i did not mean ford parts are the best.
what i meant was ford designs the glow controller circuit to use the slower burning beru plugs.
i agree that many of their parts are priced way out of range, and very rarely use ford parts on my vehicles because i can usually get just as good parts for 1/20th of the price from NAPA
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Ok I got it now! No offense taken either. I was just surprised to hear that ford parts were the only way to go. In this case it seems to be correct!
Thanks for your thoughts! J
William, yes I do still sell them. Due to the demand I put them back up on my site.
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as i used to say, if all those other glow plugs are so damn good, why did ford decide to use the motorcraft/beru glow plugs instead of one of the other "better" brands.
My educated guess would be that Beru offered them cheaper than anybody else. Consider 2 Million 7.3 motors requiring 8 gp's each, and even at $.07 cheaper per gp (I have no idea, just saying) that's a savings of over $1m, so why not go with Beru.
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but they are not designed for the slow warmup of our system. they are designed for the fast burn like the chevy uses. tht is why they glow tip first and burn up fast when used on a long burn ford glow plug controller.
The DRX plugs are designed to work with the 7.3 glow plug system, I'm not sure why you are saying they are not. They are not built by some schmuck that doesn't know what they are doing. Call up DRX and talk with them about it like I did and you'll see.
I have nothing invested in DRX, I can sell whatever plug I want and I chose the DRX after much research.
They work, they work well, and last as long as the Beru, as far as my own experience. It gets tiring of everyone saying Beru/Motorcraft is the ONLY gp to buy. There are other good options. I also sell Bosch, but they are a bit more expensive and every bit as good as the Beru & DRX IMO.
If you get the warm & fuzzy's buying Beru, go for it. You should stop bashing other products you don't seem to know much about or have never used.
Just sayin.....
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Soon after I got my truck I had to replace my glowplugs. After reading for several hours on here about GP's I bought the Motorcraft/Beru's. My neighbor did his shortly after. Three out of his eight Bosch now live in the motor forever. I will stick with the Beru's.
Jim, i bash products i see as not working. when i maintained a fleet of ambulances, i tried everything under the sun because the penny pinchers in the office would not pay for Berus.
i had 2 rigs start 4 times with bosch plugs, and most of them did not last 3 months before they burned out. aitolites never lasted more than a week or so, champions were a little better at 4-5 months. the only glow plug i ever found to last in the 6.9 or 7.3 engines were the Berus.
the bosch, autolites and champions also would swell up sometimes resulting in pulling the head to remove the plug.
i never in 6 years had one Beru plug swell so i could not remove it.
when the finally realized the Berus were lasting 2-3 years, they admitted they were worth the extra $4 each and let me start using them.
the same thing with jasper engines and transmissions.
not one engine lasted more than 30,000 miles, and not one of the transmissions lasted more than 50,000 miles.
i convinced them to go with a local engine builder for the engines, and a local trans guy for transmissions. engine life went up to 200,000 miles, and trans life was life of the vehicle. not one trans Pat did ever had to be pulled again.
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I bought the Beru's about 3 1/2 years ago from auto zone, when the bottom was falling out of the auto industry. Auto zone was dumping the Beru's at around $2 ea. so I picked up 8 for future use, I knew I would need them sometime, being new to diesels I didn't have any idea what was involved in changing them, but can't pass up a good deal. Well when I got Stag 1's from Jim I found out how to do it and put the GP's in at the same time. Now I'm just hoping I out last the GP's.
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tjc,
Thanks for clearing that up. Sometimes it's important to shed some light on personal experiences on stuff like this.
Personally, I had to pull the heads on my '96 when it was 5 yrs old becasue of stuck gp's, I assume were Beru? IMO Beru are just OK. I've run Bosch for many years as have local guys, with no issues at all. I've recently run DRX, as have local guys and many customers, with no issues, but we're only talking a few years on these. Time will tell I suppose.
I tell everyone to stay away from Autolight and ANY parts store glow plugs (unless they are Beru for some reason).
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understood Jim. i usually forget to state the reason i recommend not running things.
and as with happened with you reading my statements, you probably took my ramblings as general product bashing because others said the same thing.
just like i will recommend using a DT360 instead of a 6BT.
people think i don't like cummins engines. not true. i think the larger cummins engines are fantastic. i just don't like the 6BT. i have had way too many bad experiences with them, and as such i will walk before i will ever drive one again.
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