Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Older, Classic & Antique Trucks > 1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Early Eighties Bullnose Ford Truck

Welcome to Ford-Trucks Forums!
Welcome to Ford-Trucks.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Ford-Trucks Forums community today!





 
Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 02-14-2012, 01:12 PM
emallen's Avatar
emallen emallen is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 12
emallen is starting off with a positive reputation.
emissions diagram or picture?

Hi all, got all the electrical working on the old truck, and now am going to tackle the emissions.... luckily in PA (for now) the emissions "stuff" doesn't have to work, it just has to BE there. So long as it looks good to the inspection mechanic, it passes.

Years ago we took most of the emissions stuff off and threw it in the junk pile (I know, pretty dumb ). Luckily, I was able to recently re-gather most of the bits and pieces from other sources. So earlier today I took a deep breath, opened the manual, and lo and behold the emissions-related pages in the book are MISSING (along with half the electrical, and some of the cooling).

Could somebody either take a picture of their *perfect* engine emissions setup, or maybe even a picture from a manual??

Thanks!!

edited to add, if it matters, and probably does, I have a 300 6-cyl. carb, used to have air conditioning.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-14-2012, 01:59 PM
f100beatertruck's Avatar
f100beatertruck f100beatertruck is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Parkesburg PA
Posts: 1,996
f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.
cobra2411
I was all set to help you up until you said 300-6. I've only owned 1 and it's emissions equipment was LONG gone by the time I got it.

Yeah and transmission are probably needed too.

Just find a mechanic that isn't familiar with the older trucks and let him think that everything is there...

Or spend the money and get the waiver and keep mileage under 5k. These trucks sometimes suffer from intermittent speedometers where the cable sometimes falls out of the back of them...
__________________
David
-= 86 F250 HD Super Cab, 4x4 351/C6 & 86 F250 HD Super Cab, 4x4 351/T18 =-
-= 05 Mustang GT 13.53@103.6 & 93 Mustang Cobra 14.21@99.8 = -
-= 89 Bronco 302/AOD, 87 F250LD 351/C6, 86 F150 302/AOD =-
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-14-2012, 02:12 PM
KingBigJoe's Avatar
KingBigJoe KingBigJoe is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Northeast Indiana
Posts: 2,655
KingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by f100beatertruck View Post
I was all set to help you up until you said 300-6. I've only owned 1 and it's emissions equipment was LONG gone by the time I got it.

Yeah and transmission are probably needed too.

Just find a mechanic that isn't familiar with the older trucks and let him think that everything is there...

Or spend the money and get the waiver and keep mileage under 5k. These trucks sometimes suffer from intermittent speedometers where the cable sometimes falls out of the back of them...
Why are you recommending odometer fraud ? That ain't cool....
__________________
Joseph - former leader of the FTE Indiana Chapter
Rustoleum: 1978 Ford F250 Ranger XLT 400/C6/NP205/Dana 44 Front/Dana 60 Rear. Sold to the great big junkyard in the sky... :-(
People Carrier: 2000 Dodge Durango SLT 4x4 4.7 L - Power everything & it is all stock !
My Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/neokingbigjoe
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-14-2012, 02:35 PM
f100beatertruck's Avatar
f100beatertruck f100beatertruck is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Parkesburg PA
Posts: 1,996
f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.
cobra2411
These trucks have long since been exempt from mileage disclosure and I don't remember how many times I've swapped tach clusters with trip odometers in and out of trucks where mileages have varied greatly up and down...

To each his own I guess and if the mods feel the need to edit anything I fully understand.
__________________
David
-= 86 F250 HD Super Cab, 4x4 351/C6 & 86 F250 HD Super Cab, 4x4 351/T18 =-
-= 05 Mustang GT 13.53@103.6 & 93 Mustang Cobra 14.21@99.8 = -
-= 89 Bronco 302/AOD, 87 F250LD 351/C6, 86 F150 302/AOD =-
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-14-2012, 02:40 PM
KingBigJoe's Avatar
KingBigJoe KingBigJoe is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Northeast Indiana
Posts: 2,655
KingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by f100beatertruck View Post
These trucks have long since been exempt from mileage disclosure and I don't remember how many times I've swapped tach clusters with trip odometers in and out of trucks where mileages have varied greatly up and down...

To each his own I guess and if the mods feel the need to edit anything I fully understand.

I know that the old trucks are for the most part mileage exempt & the miles on these old trucks are "write-offs". But, it is a federal crime to tamper with the odometers just for future reference.
__________________
Joseph - former leader of the FTE Indiana Chapter
Rustoleum: 1978 Ford F250 Ranger XLT 400/C6/NP205/Dana 44 Front/Dana 60 Rear. Sold to the great big junkyard in the sky... :-(
People Carrier: 2000 Dodge Durango SLT 4x4 4.7 L - Power everything & it is all stock !
My Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/neokingbigjoe
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-14-2012, 02:45 PM
Franklin2's Avatar
Franklin2 Franklin2 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Staunton VA
Posts: 32,819
Franklin2 has a brilliant futureFranklin2 has a brilliant futureFranklin2 has a brilliant futureFranklin2 has a brilliant futureFranklin2 has a brilliant futureFranklin2 has a brilliant futureFranklin2 has a brilliant futureFranklin2 has a brilliant futureFranklin2 has a brilliant futureFranklin2 has a brilliant futureFranklin2 has a brilliant future
Quote:
Originally Posted by emallen View Post
Hi all, got all the electrical working on the old truck, and now am going to tackle the emissions.... luckily in PA (for now) the emissions "stuff" doesn't have to work, it just has to BE there. So long as it looks good to the inspection mechanic, it passes.

Years ago we took most of the emissions stuff off and threw it in the junk pile (I know, pretty dumb ). Luckily, I was able to recently re-gather most of the bits and pieces from other sources. So earlier today I took a deep breath, opened the manual, and lo and behold the emissions-related pages in the book are MISSING (along with half the electrical, and some of the cooling).

Could somebody either take a picture of their *perfect* engine emissions setup, or maybe even a picture from a manual??

Thanks!!

edited to add, if it matters, and probably does, I have a 300 6-cyl. carb, used to have air conditioning.
Your most accurate diagram will be on the radiator support. Take a photo of it if you can. Even if you told us the year(which you need to do) we could only get you close.
__________________
Dave F

1989 F250 XLT Diesel
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-14-2012, 02:51 PM
f100beatertruck's Avatar
f100beatertruck f100beatertruck is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Parkesburg PA
Posts: 1,996
f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.
cobra2411
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingBigJoe View Post
I know that the old trucks are for the most part mileage exempt & the miles on these old trucks are "write-offs". But, it is a federal crime to tamper with the odometers just for future reference.
It's also a federal crime to remove emissions equipment...

It's good to point out though. The OP can make his own decision on what to do.
__________________
David
-= 86 F250 HD Super Cab, 4x4 351/C6 & 86 F250 HD Super Cab, 4x4 351/T18 =-
-= 05 Mustang GT 13.53@103.6 & 93 Mustang Cobra 14.21@99.8 = -
-= 89 Bronco 302/AOD, 87 F250LD 351/C6, 86 F150 302/AOD =-
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-14-2012, 02:55 PM
KingBigJoe's Avatar
KingBigJoe KingBigJoe is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Northeast Indiana
Posts: 2,655
KingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputationKingBigJoe has a superb reputation
Quote:
Originally Posted by f100beatertruck View Post
It's also a federal crime to remove emissions equipment...

It's good to point out though. The OP can make his own decision on what to do.
F100... I wasn't trying to be mean when you recommended the odometer fraud. As I look back & read it... I sounded harsh. I'm sorry.

KBJ
__________________
Joseph - former leader of the FTE Indiana Chapter
Rustoleum: 1978 Ford F250 Ranger XLT 400/C6/NP205/Dana 44 Front/Dana 60 Rear. Sold to the great big junkyard in the sky... :-(
People Carrier: 2000 Dodge Durango SLT 4x4 4.7 L - Power everything & it is all stock !
My Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/neokingbigjoe

Last edited by KingBigJoe; 02-14-2012 at 02:56 PM. Reason: I made a mistake.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-14-2012, 03:01 PM
Thomas Boersma Thomas Boersma is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 18
Thomas Boersma is starting off with a positive reputation.
Once a vehicle has had an issue with the odometer, such as being non functional, replaced, rolled over, or otherwise inoperative, the vehicle (in most states) becomes odometer exempt, which is common on older vehicles. While there is a federal law against tampering towards misrepresentation of true milage for selling purposes, it is not illegal to have an inoperative odometer (in most cases) or to work on it yourself.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-14-2012, 03:34 PM
emallen's Avatar
emallen emallen is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 12
emallen is starting off with a positive reputation.
Thanks for the conversation! I did look into applying for the exemption, but it was way more time-consuming and complicated than I was into. It involved getting signed letters from parts dealers, junkyards etc.., as well as numerous and ridiculous forms to the great State of PA.

I figured it was easier to wing it, put enough pieces back on, and run enough hoses I could get some one to pass it without endangering their license. Franklin, the diagram was by the radiator like you said, never paid much attention to that side. That will help.

Sorry! My truck is a 1982... I'll edit my avatar or whatever so that I have all the specs up front.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-14-2012, 03:47 PM
emallen's Avatar
emallen emallen is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 12
emallen is starting off with a positive reputation.
I have to have 25 posts to add a signature...

1982 Ford F150 Custom XL shortbed 4WD 300 6yl 4-speed standard!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-14-2012, 04:44 PM
f100beatertruck's Avatar
f100beatertruck f100beatertruck is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Parkesburg PA
Posts: 1,996
f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.
cobra2411
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingBigJoe View Post
F100... I wasn't trying to be mean when you recommended the odometer fraud. As I look back & read it... I sounded harsh. I'm sorry.

KBJ
I wasn't trying to be mean back, which is why I said thanks for pointing it out.

Little in life is black or white, we have so many laws on the books that they've lost count. So sooner or later we're going to get to that line and have to make a decision. I believe in people making their own decisions. I made light of it but it's good to point out there could be problems.

It's all good. Sorry if I sounded harsh to you.

Also, in PA, any vehicle more than 10 years old can be exempted from mileage disclose. It isn't mandatory and I've disclosed mileage on older cars but you don't have to. Once exempted on a title it's exempt. There is no more reporting of mileage.
__________________
David
-= 86 F250 HD Super Cab, 4x4 351/C6 & 86 F250 HD Super Cab, 4x4 351/T18 =-
-= 05 Mustang GT 13.53@103.6 & 93 Mustang Cobra 14.21@99.8 = -
-= 89 Bronco 302/AOD, 87 F250LD 351/C6, 86 F150 302/AOD =-
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-14-2012, 04:51 PM
f100beatertruck's Avatar
f100beatertruck f100beatertruck is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Parkesburg PA
Posts: 1,996
f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.f100beatertruck has a very good reputation on FTE.
cobra2411
Quote:
Originally Posted by emallen View Post
Thanks for the conversation! I did look into applying for the exemption, but it was way more time-consuming and complicated than I was into. It involved getting signed letters from parts dealers, junkyards etc.., as well as numerous and ridiculous forms to the great State of PA.
If you get a PA licensed emissions mechanic to do the work or at least sign off on receipts you bring him you can get a one year waver. The fee used to be $450 but I think it's been lowered to $150. You do not have to bring it into compliance to get the waiver, just spend enough money this year and they'll expect more repairs next year or a mileage exemption. I have a couple vehicles so my truck usually gets around 3,500 miles/yr. One once did I get close.

Call a shop or two, of better yet, go over and talk to them in person and tell them what you have and ask about the waiver limits. If you drive less than 5k a year it might not be worth fixing.

It's been years since I've done it, but I've gotten waivers before. In fact the first year I had my 86 F150 it got a waiver, the second year it passed by the skin of it's teeth and it's been mileage exempted since.
__________________
David
-= 86 F250 HD Super Cab, 4x4 351/C6 & 86 F250 HD Super Cab, 4x4 351/T18 =-
-= 05 Mustang GT 13.53@103.6 & 93 Mustang Cobra 14.21@99.8 = -
-= 89 Bronco 302/AOD, 87 F250LD 351/C6, 86 F150 302/AOD =-
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-15-2012, 07:34 AM
emallen's Avatar
emallen emallen is offline
New User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 12
emallen is starting off with a positive reputation.
Thanks guys for the responses. I still think I'll try first to put the emissions components back on... Partly because I'm allergic to fees and waiver forms and all that .

I ordered a used Haynes manual from Amazon, cost me only $7.31 total. I needed another manual anyway since the spine came off my my original, and is in about 100 chunks with lots of missing pages. I don't know how good the Haynes manuals are, but it was cheap and worth a shot.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-15-2012, 08:21 AM
Grubbworm's Avatar
Grubbworm Grubbworm is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Acworth, GA
Posts: 2,935
Grubbworm has a great reputation on FTE.Grubbworm has a great reputation on FTE.Grubbworm has a great reputation on FTE.Grubbworm has a great reputation on FTE.Grubbworm has a great reputation on FTE.Grubbworm has a great reputation on FTE.
theGrubbworms JoEllen Grubbs
Quote:
Originally Posted by emallen View Post
I ordered a used Haynes manual from Amazon, cost me only $7.31 total. I needed another manual anyway since the spine came off my my original, and is in about 100 chunks with lots of missing pages. I don't know how good the Haynes manuals are, but it was cheap and worth a shot.

My preference in manuals are the same ones that they use at the dealerships. They are made by a company called Helm Inc., here is their link;
Service Manuals, Owner Manuals, Wiring Diagrams, Service Bulletins - Helm Incorporated
They are not cheap, but they are the best. If you plan on keeping your truck for a long time, these are a very worthwhile investment.
__________________
Dave's
1985 Ford F-150 4x2 (pictures),
4.9L 300 I6 / TOD 4spd / 8.8-3.08
Troubleshooting help, for anyone that needs it.
Reward good advice with a note by clicking the left red "Add to Reputation"
button right of the word "permalink" top right of the poster's message.
Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2012, 08:21 AM
 
 
 
Reply

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Older, Classic & Antique Trucks > 1980 - 1986 Bullnose F100, F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks

Tags
1980, 1982, 93, emissions, emmisions, f150, ford, picture, schematic

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
PA emissions, 5 Star and me D8chumley 2009 - 2014 F150 20 04-28-2013 06:56 AM
Changing from computer to No-computer. Smoker54 Modular V8 (4.6L, 5.4L) 3 12-22-2011 10:54 PM
emissions junk on a 78 F250army45d 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 41 09-20-2011 09:51 PM
Emissions Equipment Solution LesPaul 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 3 06-03-2003 08:27 AM
1985 F-250 emissions diagram Norm1971 Ford Inline Six, 200, 250, 4.9L / 300 2 08-10-2001 02:58 PM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 AC1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup