59 Hood hinge/springs ??
#16
02-12-2012, 12:53 AM
Hello Bill; nice to hear from you!
You are a cranky old fart when you don't get a nap! I understand it takes a lot out of you, when you jump to conclusions and can't take the time to read the thread!
I did read thru the thread and typed a response with info that you were unaware of.
If you had, you would see that I posted the part numbers in my second post. I would not buy parts off ebay without doing some homework!
If you had looked up the C0TB hinges, you would have seen that they required C0TB springs. If you in fact did do this, why didn't you make mention of this...up front?
If your memory really was good you would remember from our recent PM's that I in fact do own the books and the CD's. I should have taken the bet!
I receive, on average, 10 P/M's a day..so how do you expect me to remember all of them?
My question was concerning the springs, I did note the 1960 part number for the spring and I did read that it was for the 1960 hinge part number. What I didn't know was if Ford changed the number and the spring or just the number. Which is why I was looking for measurements and if those measurements were for the new hinge. That is why I put pictures and asked if Steve's hinges had the pin stop.
Who is jumping to conclusions?! Steve has a 1959, so does he know that you bought C0TB hinges? Does he know that C0TB springs are required with these hinges? Does he have these same 1960 parts on his 1959?
The pin stop is the most obvious difference in the new style, the other is the spring hole location, plus some stamping differences.
I do appreciate your help and your contributions to the FTE! As cantankerous as you are, you still provide some help!
Do you know if the spring length or specifications were changed, or just the number.
I did locate one spring cotb-16789-b, however if they are in fact different then mine I will need two. Any chance you have a line on some of these?
See below for "some help."
You are a cranky old fart when you don't get a nap! I understand it takes a lot out of you, when you jump to conclusions and can't take the time to read the thread!
I did read thru the thread and typed a response with info that you were unaware of.
If you had, you would see that I posted the part numbers in my second post. I would not buy parts off ebay without doing some homework!
If you had looked up the C0TB hinges, you would have seen that they required C0TB springs. If you in fact did do this, why didn't you make mention of this...up front?
If your memory really was good you would remember from our recent PM's that I in fact do own the books and the CD's. I should have taken the bet!
I receive, on average, 10 P/M's a day..so how do you expect me to remember all of them? My question was concerning the springs, I did note the 1960 part number for the spring and I did read that it was for the 1960 hinge part number. What I didn't know was if Ford changed the number and the spring or just the number. Which is why I was looking for measurements and if those measurements were for the new hinge. That is why I put pictures and asked if Steve's hinges had the pin stop.
Who is jumping to conclusions?! Steve has a 1959, so does he know that you bought C0TB hinges? Does he know that C0TB springs are required with these hinges? Does he have these same 1960 parts on his 1959?The pin stop is the most obvious difference in the new style, the other is the spring hole location, plus some stamping differences.
I do appreciate your help and your contributions to the FTE! As cantankerous as you are, you still provide some help!
Do you know if the spring length or specifications were changed, or just the number.
I did locate one spring cotb-16789-b, however if they are in fact different then mine I will need two. Any chance you have a line on some of these?
See below for "some help."
You can edit your posts for at least 90 days, so you could of added the part numbers to post 1 instead of burying them within post 4.
The parts catalog is clear (Text, Section 166, page 1777): When you look up the C0TB hinges, catalog says the C0TB springs must be used with them.
When you look up the C0TB springs, catalog says use with the C0TB hinges. I even typed this tidbit of info:
Originally Posted by NumberDummy
C0TB-16789-B (replaced B7C-16789-A) Hood Spring
The C0TB hinges will work on all 1957/60 hoods, but the COTB springs must be used with them.
I wouldn't be cantankerous if peeps did their homework, verifying what fits what...before buying something that requires additional parts. so everything will fit correctly.
Inre to the springs: I have bad news and good news. The bad news: No Ford Dealer or obsolete parts vendor has any C0TB-16789-B springs.
The good news is: B7C-16796-A .. Right Hood Hinge (4 available NOS) / B7C-16797-A .. Left Hood Hinge (8 available NOS) / These are the original 1957/59 hinges, and if you buy a pair, you can use your original springs.
Problem solved.
#17
02-12-2012, 10:31 AM
Good morning Bill;
Thanks for the old part numbers, which reference material did you find that in. Is it available to peeps?
Again your experience, willingness and ability to sift through all the reference material for so many of us does not go unnoticed! Even if you presentation lacks. I understand its not easy to please everybody, hell look at my first post, it was lacking important information!
I'll do a search for those old part numbers.
Thanks
Thanks for the old part numbers, which reference material did you find that in. Is it available to peeps?
Again your experience, willingness and ability to sift through all the reference material for so many of us does not go unnoticed! Even if you presentation lacks. I understand its not easy to please everybody, hell look at my first post, it was lacking important information!
I'll do a search for those old part numbers.
Thanks
#18
02-12-2012, 12:45 PM
Originally these were bound paper, then on microfiche, then on the CD's dealers use today. Most of the paper/microfioche versions were thrown away by the dealers decades ago.
The CD's aren't available to the general public, the paper/microfiche versions are almost impossible to find.
1957/59 R/L hood hinges: B7C-16796-A/B7C-16797-A = replaced by 1960 R/L hood hinges: C0TB-16796-A/C0TB-16797-A
#19
02-12-2012, 02:55 PM
#20
02-12-2012, 05:17 PM
Attention shoppers. If anyone else wants these hinges, send me a P/M or an email.
There are greedy clucks that may buy them all, if I list the sources here.
Dunno who the greedy clucks are, but when I listed some hard to find emblems (6 were available) several moons ago, one greedy cluck bought all of them.
The OP that asked, other members who were interested, were shut out.
There are greedy clucks that may buy them all, if I list the sources here.
Dunno who the greedy clucks are, but when I listed some hard to find emblems (6 were available) several moons ago, one greedy cluck bought all of them.
The OP that asked, other members who were interested, were shut out.
#21
05-14-2012, 07:40 PM
In 1960, Ford replaced the 1957/59 hinges with 1960 hinges. The '57/63 Ford truck parts catalog sez that 1960 springs must be used with these hinges when installed on 1957/59's.
C0TB-16796-A (replaced B7C-16796-A) .. Right Hinge / C0TB-16797-A (replaced B7C-16797-A) .. Left Hinge
Use with C0TB-16789-B (replaced B7C-16789-A) .. Hood Spring / Updated applications for hinges/springs: 1957/60 F100/1100.
I have a week spring on my '59 I'm trying to replace.......no luck. Are you saying the hinges (and proper springs) for a '60 will bolt in to my '59?
C0TB-16796-A (replaced B7C-16796-A) .. Right Hinge / C0TB-16797-A (replaced B7C-16797-A) .. Left Hinge
Use with C0TB-16789-B (replaced B7C-16789-A) .. Hood Spring / Updated applications for hinges/springs: 1957/60 F100/1100.
I have a week spring on my '59 I'm trying to replace.......no luck. Are you saying the hinges (and proper springs) for a '60 will bolt in to my '59?
#22
05-14-2012, 08:07 PM
#24
05-17-2012, 07:28 PM
#26
05-17-2012, 10:23 PM
Hobbs I don't see why you couldn't run 59 on one side and 60 on the other. I have a set of both hinges and the pivot points are the same, the difference is at the spring purchase points.
On the 60 the upper purchase point is a little behind the pivot point so it has a little more power to hold the hood open when fully raised. So it may start to close kattywompus until that spring moves to the over or past that the pivot point.
Clear as mud? It is in my head!
On the 60 the upper purchase point is a little behind the pivot point so it has a little more power to hold the hood open when fully raised. So it may start to close kattywompus until that spring moves to the over or past that the pivot point.
Clear as mud? It is in my head!
#27
05-24-2012, 09:14 PM
clear.......
yea, i understand the kittywampus closing.......wonder if that would wear out the other side hinge pretty quickly.......neither are in real good shape...just need that one spring to solve the problem..............or i guess if anyone has 2 '60 hinges w/ springs, i might be interested......
thanks guys.
thanks guys.
#28
05-24-2012, 10:52 PM
Hobbs; are you sure that it is your springs, on my original hinges the pivot points and the hole at the spring purchase points were so worn out, That the hood would not stay open and was kind of sloppy when raising.
You can according to the manual move the lower purchase point (notches) to tighten the spring a little (didn't help mine). I made a jig and stretched the springs, they seamed to have equal strength.
So I purchased a NOS set of 59 style springs. I have not put the hood back yet, (soon?) however there is zero slop in the new hinges. I will let you know on the hold open once the hood is back on.
Good luck in your quest.
You can according to the manual move the lower purchase point (notches) to tighten the spring a little (didn't help mine). I made a jig and stretched the springs, they seamed to have equal strength.
So I purchased a NOS set of 59 style springs. I have not put the hood back yet, (soon?) however there is zero slop in the new hinges. I will let you know on the hold open once the hood is back on.
Good luck in your quest.
#29
05-25-2012, 09:26 AM
#30
05-25-2012, 09:43 AM
lo and behold.....my right hinge/spring IS from a '60.........i re-read your first thread about the pin stop and hole placement..........and....after reading Bills comments thought i better read a little more (i felt that spanking too........)
anyway, if you don't need the 16789-b spring, i sure have a home for it....
Thanks!
anyway, if you don't need the 16789-b spring, i sure have a home for it....
Thanks!