Ford Truck Enthusiasts, The Internet's Leading Ford Trucks Resource, F150
 
Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Performance, Engines & Troubleshooting > Ford Inline Six, 200, 250, 4.9L / 300
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?
Register - Join us, its Free! Albums FAQ Members Tech Guides Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read VendorsUsed CarsGarage
Welcome to Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums





 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2011, 12:28 PM
mandbprior mandbprior is offline
New User
1983 Ford F-150
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 14
mandbprior is starting off with a positive reputation.
1983 F150 4.9L 300 Engine hum/whine

Issue: hum/whine in the engine.

I have:
Replaced water pump and harmonic balancer, fixed oil pump bracket in oil pan, checked 1, 2 and 4 main bearings (some unusual wear, but nothing out of spec. limits), check 1 and 2 rod bearings (again, some wear but nothing out of spec. limits).

Still have the same sound/issue.

Any thoughts on culprit/repair? It's driving me nuts and I want my truck back!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2011, 01:21 PM
f100jim's Avatar
f100jim f100jim is offline
Elder User
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 660
f100jim is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
I would pull all of the belts. Then run it BRIEFLY (obviously without the belts your water pump won't be running). If the hum/whine is still there, it is likely an internal engine noise. If the noise goes away, try putting back on belt at a time. You've replaced the water pump, so put back the water pump/ alternator belt. If the noise is back, it is probably the alternator. If you have power steering, a likely suspect would be the power steering pump. That is not to say that it is necessarily bad. They are notorious for being noisy. I replaced mine because it was loud. The new one sounded exactly the same.
__________________
Short bed pickups are like ***** on your ex-wife: if they are dressed up they may LOOK nice, but that's all they are good for!
If you want a TRUCK, buy a long bed. If you want a GROCERY GETTER, buy a Taurus. Short beds are just rolling parts donors.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2011, 02:23 PM
mandbprior mandbprior is offline
New User
1983 Ford F-150
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 14
mandbprior is starting off with a positive reputation.
We've run it without the belts, etc. and have even run it without the timing cover. Still have the noise so it is internal, but can't figure out what. Thrust bearing? Cam?
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2011, 03:08 PM
1986F150six 1986F150six is offline
Posting Guru
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Sheffield, AL
Posts: 1,549
1986F150six has a very good reputation on FTE.1986F150six has a very good reputation on FTE.1986F150six has a very good reputation on FTE.
Could it be on the other end of engine [transmission, throw out bearing...]?
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2011, 04:02 PM
mandbprior mandbprior is offline
New User
1983 Ford F-150
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 14
mandbprior is starting off with a positive reputation.
We've wondered about the thrust bearing, I've also had the flex plate or push rods suggested, any thoughts on that?
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2011, 04:02 PM
kedwinh's Avatar
kedwinh kedwinh is offline
Posting Guru
1985 Ford F-150
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Casa Grande
Posts: 1,092
kedwinh is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Or it could be the timing gears.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2011, 04:04 PM
mandbprior mandbprior is offline
New User
1983 Ford F-150
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 14
mandbprior is starting off with a positive reputation.
Checked the timing gears, no chips, cracks or breaks.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2011, 04:39 PM
kedwinh's Avatar
kedwinh kedwinh is offline
Posting Guru
1985 Ford F-150
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Casa Grande
Posts: 1,092
kedwinh is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mandbprior View Post
Checked the timing gears, no chips, cracks or breaks.
But if they're both metal gears they have been known to whine.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2011, 04:56 PM
mandbprior mandbprior is offline
New User
1983 Ford F-150
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 14
mandbprior is starting off with a positive reputation.
Okay, is it common for them to just start whining? I haven't noticed it before and have owned it for a year.
I've been chasing this noise for a month now, worried I might have to do a rebuild.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 12-12-2011, 11:19 PM
Harte3 Harte3 is offline
Postmaster
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 2,799
Harte3 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Harte3 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
As you have obviously experienced, locating the source of a noise can be difficult. It is nearly impossible over the internet.
__________________
1983 F150 300 I6, Comp Cam 260h and lifter kit, Port/Polished head, Offy DP Manifold, Holley 4160/1848-1 465 cfm, EFI Exhaust manifolds, Walker Y Pipe to 3-Way Cat, generic Turbo Muffler, Recurved DSII, Mallory HyFire 6a & ACCEL Super Stock Coil, Taylor Spiro Pro Wires, EFI plugs.

"It'll put out what ever it puts out." fordman75
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2011, 12:08 PM
mandbprior mandbprior is offline
New User
1983 Ford F-150
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 14
mandbprior is starting off with a positive reputation.
Click the image to open in full size.Would this be a possible culprit of a dull "knock" coming from the bottom of the block (when listening with a stethoscope)? There is also universal wear on one side of the cap. This is #5, which also serves as a thrust bearing (I believe).Click the image to open in full size.Click the image to open in full size.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 12-29-2011, 01:04 PM
1983F1503004x4 1983F1503004x4 is offline
Posting Guru
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 1,817
1983F1503004x4 has a very good reputation on FTE.1983F1503004x4 has a very good reputation on FTE.1983F1503004x4 has a very good reputation on FTE.
You've posted this topic in the 1980 to 1986 F100, F150 and Larger F-series truck forum.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/11...hum-whine.html

Please refrain from posting in both categories.

If you've checked the main and rod bearings and everything is oiled well and put together right, then I'd just drive the thing.

Humming noises have been known to come from AIR pumps as well as belts and power steering pumps.

My '83 has the steel gears I'd reckon (haven't looked), and they don't make a peep at 128K miles.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 01-22-2012, 03:45 PM
mandbprior mandbprior is offline
New User
1983 Ford F-150
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 14
mandbprior is starting off with a positive reputation.
How about a knock? Here is a video of my engine knock (hum was timing gears).
It sounds like it's coming from the front of the engine.

We have: replaced main and connecting rod bearings, replaced water pump and harmonic balancer, removed inspection plate and checked lifters and even repaired a broken oil pump bracket.

Any thoughts? At whit's end here!

Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2012, 11:31 PM
1983F1503004x4 1983F1503004x4 is offline
Posting Guru
Garage is empty, add now
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 1,817
1983F1503004x4 has a very good reputation on FTE.1983F1503004x4 has a very good reputation on FTE.1983F1503004x4 has a very good reputation on FTE.
That honestly sounds like a knocking rod to me.

If you listen at the sound, you can almost tell when the piston hits the top of the stroke (higher pitched thud) and the bottom of the stroke (deeper thud). It's also got the constant "1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2" rhythm of something like that.

That's not the cam walking, it's not the timing gears (you can hear them humming in time with the engines RPM), it's not valve-train noise, so...

That leaves drive-train noise.

You said you check the main bearings on 1 2 and 4, so maybe it has loose wrist-pins?

It's definitely a bottom end noise, as far as I can tell.

You sound like you know what you're looking at. Do you know the history of the motor? How well has it been taken care of? Was it horsed around, or have high mileage, etc.?
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2012, 11:31 PM
Reply

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Performance, Engines & Troubleshooting > Ford Inline Six, 200, 250, 4.9L / 300

Tags
1983, 49, 83, balancer, cap, engine, f150, ford, harmonic, it, location, loud, motor, oil, pump, size, water

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.5.2 ©2010, Crawlability, Inc.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Policy - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.



 
vbulletin Admin Backup