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Old 10-27-2011, 08:56 PM
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dies when shifted into reverse and when stopped in drive, FIXED!!

ok this problem started this morning and the truck has been running great up untill now.

when i shift from park to reverse the volt guage drops off and the truck stumbles and dies unless i give it some gas.
when i shift to drive from reverse it stumbles but doesnt die. other then that it runs great.

there was a shift kit with new filter and fluid installed a couple weeks ago so im sure its not a fluid issue...

ive read comments on the iac possibly needing to be cleaned but i couldnt find any pics or other info on that.

any other thoughts would be great. or info/pics of the iac valve.
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Double check your fluid level (while hot),i had the same problem,i was about two quarts low,fill it up and had no more problems.
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Fluid level is good. I checked it when I got home from work
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Midnight I will start by saying Im clueless but just for giggles pull the fuse for the reverse lights. See if it stops. If so I dont think I have to say anymore. If not ehh, 2 second check No harm no foul .. You have been around a while, I assume there is no codes based off your time on the forum...
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Ford Fuel Injection » Idle Air Bypass (IAB) Here is a link to info on the IAC valve.
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I plan on checking the codes tonight. From most of what I could find while doing a google search it wither pointed to bad/low tranny fluid (mine is new an full) or the IAC valve. But I couldn't find any info on the valve.

After reading the link on the the valve that was posted I now know what it does and where it is.

Steering my truck while at an idle or turning into a parking space while idling has been becoming hard to do the last couple months, I'd have to give it has to turn the wheel. I just thought that my pump was on the way out but if the IAC is suposed bump the idle when turnin at an idle I'm thinking that it might not be the pump....

I'll pull codes when I get home tonight and see of anything shows up.
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ok i went through the codes and as far as active codes in the koeo and the koer there is nothing i just get the 111 all clear

theres 2 in the code memory
542 Fuel pump open, bad ground or always on - - Power / Fuel Pump Circuits
543 Fuel pump relay or battery power feed was open - Power / Fuel Pump Circuits

im guessing i get those where is it dual tanks? both tanks work fine i use them on a regular basis.

followed the test for the IAC as well and removed the plug while runnign and the truck stumbled and idle dropped and was close to dying. thats the same thing thats happening when i put it in reverse if its idling.

i removed the valve and it looked pretty dirty so i sprayed it out good with throttlebody cleaner and it looked alot better.

still the same thing. any other suggestions??
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There is a TSB for the E4ODs for a revised filter design. Previous designs allowed the filter to sit flat on the bottom of the pan if they became loose, the new ones have "feet" to prevent this.



Article No.
97-24-23

11/24/97
^ STALL - ENGINE STALL DURING TRANSMISSION ENGAGEMENT - VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH E4OD
TRANSMISSION

^ TRANSMISSION - E4OD - ENGINE STALL DURING ENGAGEMENT

LIGHT TRUCK:
1996 BRONCO
1996-97 ECONOLINE, F-150-350 SERIES, F-53 MOTORHOME
1997 EXPEDITION
1998 NAVIGATOR

This TSB article is being republished in its entirety to revise the Service Procedure.
ISSUE:
Some vehicles may stall when the transmission is placed into gear. This may be caused by the transmission fluid filter becoming detached and/or loose.


ACTION:
Install a new design fluid filter and seal assembly. The new design has legs molded into the plastic filter cover (Figure 1). This new design filter does not require using the rectangular transmission pan magnet.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

Follow all the normal diagnostic procedures outlined in the appropriate model/year Service Manual. Repair as required. If all normal diagnostics fail to correct the problem, refer to the following Steps.
1. Remove the transmission fluid pan to determine if the transmission fluid filter has dropped down or is not firmly seated in the pump bore.

2. If the filter has dropped down into the pan, discard the filter assembly and remove the filter seal from the pump bore.

CAUTION : BE CAREFUL NOT TO SCRATCH OR DAMAGE THE PUMP BORE WHEN REMOVING THE SEAL.

NOTE : DO NOT REMOVE THE ORIGINAL FLUID PAN MAGNET FROM THE FLUID PAN OTHER THAN TO CLEAN AND REINSTALL.

3. Install a new Filter and Seal Assembly (F6TZ-7A098-AB: 4X2, F6TZ-7A098-BB: 4X4). Refer to Figure 1.

CAUTION : DO NOT USE THE RECTANGULAR TRANSMISSION PAN MAGNET WHEN USING EITHER OF THESE NEW DESIGN FILTER AND SEAL ASSEMBLIES.

CAUTION : DO NOT REPLACE A REUSABLE PAN GASKET WITH A CORK GASKET, THIS MAY RESULT IN A TRANSMISSION FLUID LEAK. CLEAN AND REUSE UNLESS DAMAGED. REPLACE CORK GASKET WITH CORK GASKETS.

4. Refill transmission as required using MERCON(R) Multi-Purpose Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) (XT-2-QDX).

PART NUMBER PART NAME

F6TZ-7A098-AB Filter And Seal Assembly (4X2)
F6TZ-7A098-BB Filter And Seal Assembly (4X4)
XT-2-QDX MERCON(R) Multi-Purpose Automatic
Transmission Fluid (ATF)

OTHER APPLICABLE ARTICLES: NONE

SUPERSEDES: 97-18-7

WARRANTY STATUS: Eligible Under The Provisions Of Bumper To Bumper Warranty Coverage

OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME

972423A Remove And Install Pan 0.7 Hr.
To Replace Filter And Seal
Assembly

972423B Additional Time To Clean, 0.1 Hr.
Inspect, And Reuse
Elastomeric Reusable Pan
Gasket

DEALER CODING

CONDITION
BASIC PART NO. CODE
7A098 33

OASIS CODES: 503000, 504000, 607000, 607400



Might be something to look into.
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i just put a brand new filter in it a couple weeks ago when i installed my shift kit

what is the TSB?
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just went for a drive and it didnt stall this time around. the rpms drop and the battery guage drops but it picks right back up after a few seconds
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Today it started acting up when I stop at a light as well. Not every one but if I sit at a red light for 30sec or so it will sputter and die if I don't hit the gas that's when stoped at a light in gear with brake on.... Any other ideas??
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oj its really starting to **** me off now..... i have to drive it like a standard and go to neutral when ever i stop....

heres a vid of what happens when i stop still in drive....right before it dies it kindof lurches forward as it i popped the clutch in a standard

F150 stalling - YouTube

so far i have cleaned the IAC valve and tested it as per the site above.

tranny fluid level is good. added a can of seafoam trans fix a few days ago to see if it would help... nothing.

removed the solenoid plug on the tranny and cleaned/re dielectric greased and plugged back in.

cut the P/Y wire for the TC lockup and fed the ecm side power with a 22k resistor in line as suggested. still same thing so removed resistor and hooked wire back together

it is a new filter and quakerstate atf in it now.

im at a loss right now any other suggestions!?!? or ideas??
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It's not the ATF level per se, it's the filter, it fell out of place and that's what's causing the stalling.
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When u switched from the stage 2 to stage 1 springs in the shift kit it was HARD to pull the filter off to get at the valve body and it went back in just as hard...so I wouldn't think it would fall back out.

So next thing I should try is to change the ATF and filter again?

Should I get a ford filter?
Last one was an aftermarket one.

Any reccomendations on the fluid? I might as well do it again too. I'll call this one a flush
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Another note, when I first tarted having issues in reverse I checked the fluid and it seemed a little bit above the full mark. When I checked it yesterday it was almost a liter over.... I sucked a liter out the dipstick with a drill pump to get me with in the cross hatch On the dipstick could that be because the filter fell?
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