Those motors are 302/332 lincoln blocks. save the flywheels and bellhousings. They will fit 341/368 blocks for hot rodders. Those cranks are dropped forged, and some guys get them to make a stroker motor for 368. Rams horn manifolds are also desirable.

 

There are two different bolt patterns on the rams horn manifolds
Small Y-Block and Big Truck Y-Block they don't interchange

 

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what that transmission is? It looks like it has a separate underdrive in front of another gear box, but I only see 1 shifter.

 

Here's another pic of the engine and transmission that Mat sent me. Stu

 

OK, I have more info on these now and listed the parts with pictures for sale on Hub Garage
HubGarage.com - Where Car People Connect
for anyone who would be interested.
The wheels have all been sold.
Special thanks to Stu who has assisted me through this and found a good home for the wheels.

 

"http://www.hubgarage.com/classifieds/4934"

 

Ok so 1st off sorry for asking a techinical question for my stuff on your thread - but.... they are related.

Anyone doing a 4x4 conversion it is a lot easier to take the MH drive train and slip it under a 2wd truck right? How hard would it be to take the 1 1/2 ton MH that these guys have and slip it under a '48 F1 (which is still basically stock). I assume it will lift the truck by 2-4" from the front axle clearance. But what kinda process is it to mate the 2 halves? (Colorado has snotty roads and I am not in love with my 1 wheel drive open rear end)

[edit] I went back and looked at the pictures for a 4th time and I think it is a bit too large project - too much stuff is not going to line up beyond just bolt patterns... We can discuss academically if you guys want, but I think it is beyond my workload (I'm thinking I should keep my eye out for a smaller MH drivetrain instead)

 

brain, if i recall the front axles are narrower than MH stuff and i think Mat said they are rockwells. the knuckles look spot on and so does the steering stabilizer though. i still havent figured out the transmission as it has no output shaft and the t-case looks to be chain drive off the rear of the trans somehow? you should call Mat and ask him to measure the axle width. if its close it might not be that much work. steering would seem to be the biggest challenge and if it has a drag link on the drivers side that would make it alot easier. you would have to get the rear axle to so the gears match, and then there are the wheels. Mat said they are all sold. wheels would be another topic all together. 16's,17's,17.5's,19.5's,etc....and if your plan is to find f1 f2 or f3 MH running gear to convert yours...get out your wallet. if you can find parts, they wont be cheap. i think Mat is pretty low on axle price if they will work and you are close to Reno.

 

These 4 speed tyrannies and transfer cases seem to be a mystery and I'm hoping someone can exactly what these are. I can' find any pictures like these except for a Marmon Herrington drawing that looks exactly like these transfer cases but it offered no identification associated with that drawing.

The transmissions are 4 speed H pattern with reverse out and down to the right.
Dimensions 11" long 11 1/2" from flange that top mounts to the bottom and 11 3/4" wide
Main Casing on the right side casting # 208465
Main Casing left side casting tag # CL / AR ER
Left side has cover plate 6 Bolts (looks like for a PTO)
Right side has flanged area with PTO mounted 8 Bolt pattern
PTO casting # 208486
Shifter Housing casting # 202713
Shifter snout casting # 202745
Mount to bell housing 4 bolt pattern 8" wide 4 3/4 tall
Bell Housing casting # 208464
Rear Flange is solid part of the main casing. One of the trans looks to have the numbers 192D punched into the flange edge.

The transfer case mounts to the transmission flange 6 bolt pattern, Hexagon shaped. The bolts and nuts are exposed on 4 of these one is a bolt from inside transfer case threaded into the tranny case flange and the last one is also bolt from inside transfer case through flange with exposed nut.

The transfer case has one shifter one the snout for the front, drops to the left side, front and rear are on the same plane 14 1/2" from top flange of tranny main case.
dimensions 18" tall, 11" wide 3 1/4" thick
Transfer main casing casting # 208468 and casting tag # A - 9 - KR
Rear Plate casting # 208470
Front Snout casting # 208475 and it is mounted with 6 bolt pattern.

Sorry if I've over listed the info here but I thought it best to clarify everything I've found. Your help is greatly appreciated.

I have everything almost ready for sale with specific information like exact miles and running hours logged on Hobbs meters. I will make another post in the next two days listing what I have available if anyone is interested before I list everything on ebay. Didn't mean to disappear from this project but my mother passed away last month so I've been out of town.

Thanks again in advance for any help you can offer.

 

I just got a really rare Marmon-Herrington book on military vehicles they produced. And guess what's in there? Several pictures of these trucks! They claim to have built the entire chassis. That would explain the unusual transmission and transfer case. Probably something they had made just for these trucks.
Chuck

 

They look just like the MA-2 we used in the Air Force during the 1960's on F100 aircraft. I found my Air Force military drivers license. I returned from Vietnam in Dec1967 and was checked out on the Flight Line driving of 4door 1/2-1 ton pickups and the MA-2 in JAN 1967, Luke AFB, Glendale AZ. We used the MA-2 for a power card 24v to start the F100 and for aircraft systems repairs. chuck

 

So Chuck, what would be the likely hood of putting that running gear under a 2wd truck? and what about the knuckles and axle shaft? seems i recall that the axles are to narrow but I'm wondering about the drums. should be the same as R32-4 drums or not. and thanks for the wheels Mat. my father-in-law couldn't believe you got them all in your car. on the ones you dis-mounted, do you remember if they had liquid in the tube. something like calcuim cloride "sp" or whatever that stuff is called?

 

mark, if you weren't so far away, i would offer up a complete 1.5 ton driveline in 4wd mh. i have everything up to pitman arm except springs. shipping would kill us!

 

i would take you up on it Petey if my wife wouldnt kill me. i got really lucky with the wheels and tires because my father-in-law goes to Reno about once a week. The wife is starting to question the parts gathering so a spare drivetrain would not be good. you should jump over to the fridge side . there is a guy or two asking about switching from 2wd to 4wd.

 

Mark, I'm glad the wheels went to a good new home rather than the ovens. I don't remember any liquid in any of the tubes, but they went to the trash right away after the dis-mounts so I could have missed that. It was a pleasure meeting your father-in-law and yes he did have an interesting look on his face when I told him eight of them still had the tires on and in my car. hehe
Right now would be the best time to inquire if someone was interested in using one of these complete set-ups because I have the last two stripped down to frame with running gear as if they were ready to mount a body on them. The axles are 60" flange to flange and a wheel base of 90". The leaf spring mounts and perches all have MHxxxxxx numbers cast in them so I take it those would be Marmon Herrington parts. One of these chassis has 2417 miles with 292 hours on the rebuilt engine (this one has a magneto distributor) and the other one has 13761 miles with 6224 hours on the rebuilt engine.
The Front axle is tagged F24 HX2 with 4.857 ratio mounted 29" spring center to center. The 9 leaf springs are 1 3/4" and 35 1/2" long. The brake drums are # 3219Z2132C.
The Rear axle is tagged 51524 HX17 with 4.857 ratio mounted 38 1/2" spring center to center. The 13 leaf springs are 2" and 35 3/4" long. The brake drums drums are # 333-X-855.
I could see a cool set up made of one of these, otherwise; I've got to dismantle the rest of them and list the parts on ebay. I have to say being around this forum has definitely hooked me on some of the Marmon Herrington trucks. These good old trucks have a lot of class I never noticed before. Making a career change right now but I think I may start looking for a stake truck or I did come across a picture of an F-1 Woody in Mexico. I think I remember Stu had a comment and picture of a Marmon Herrington Woody but that one was a joke if I remember right.