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Old 12-07-2012, 11:23 PM
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It is freakin' heavy!!! I have an aluminum pump on the shelf that I was going to put on the truck. The T444e pump must weigh 3 times as much. I'll go weigh them both quick....

Ok. The Ford pump weighs 8.6 lbs. The T444e weighs 24.6 lbs. Here they are side by side again.
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It does not say it meets EC-1.... It is silicate, phosphate, borate and nitrite free and meets ASTM D3306 & D4985 (whatever they are...).
That's a conventional coolant that needs SCA's added to it in order to protect your diesel.

Or you can use it in your car.

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Take it back and go to a truck stop and find the right stuff.
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Stewart, you sure know how to ruin a party....
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Well, I am off to the nearest interstate truck stop to look for coolant that meets EC-1 standards, as suggested by Bonanza. I'll finish install after that.
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:11 PM
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That is a huge weight difference between the pumps.
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Here is what I found when I pulled the old pump off. It is not original to the engine. I had green coolant in the system from when I bought it, but I do not think anyone bothered to put SCAs in it. The evidence is on that water pump.

The bolt to the top left came from the bottom of the outlet horn. It was in pretty bad shape. Inside the pump/front cover where that bolt was, I found the water jacket that runs to the oil cooler almost completely blocked with scale and build up. You can see that spot where I am pointing in the bottom picture after I cleaned it up.
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Here is another photo of that blockage I found. Notice at the lower left corner of the pump (where the oil cooler water jacket runs). It is more corroded than the rest of the pump...especially around the hole that bolt was in. The photo of the front cover is kinda small, I know, but you can still see the big clump of scale build up at that narrow spot. Oil cooler was barely getting any fluid.

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In this photo you can see the build up at the oil cooler water jacket. Couple this with the photo of the pump, and you have an almost complete obstruction of the jacket.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:27 PM
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Here are some photos of the re-routing of the heater hose from the top of the old pump to the side of the new pump. The length of hose required is 3.5ft.

Tie in here at passenger side valve cover.
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The "max A/C assist" valve over the passenger side valve cover.
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Run the hose like this:
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Here is the prep for the new pump. Remove the two plugs shown in the photos and then put in the temp sensor and the 45* fitting for the heater hose re-route. The gasket that came with the pump is the new type with cleats all the way around it. They fit tight into the groove and hold the gasket in without using little dabs of silicone. Also, in the bottom photo, the fitting for the heater hose needs to be pointing to 4 oclock...not 530 like it is in the photo. I adjusted it after it was on the truck. Once on the truck, it should be pointing right at the passenger side battery.

I spent significant time cleaning the front cover up before installing the new IH pump. I used a razor blade to scrape off the old gasket, then I used a wire brush and finally I used 600 grit wet sanding paper to polish the surface flat and clean.

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You can see the plug that is still on there next to the one I took off. It is for the degas hose reroute on the OBS trucks. 99-03 will NOT use that one.
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Here is the pump installed on the front cover. Notice the Heater hose is GONE from in front of the HPOP reservoir!!! NO MORE coolant mess when working on the fuel bowl or HPOP...

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I did run into two significant problems...

One was the CPS sensor no longer reached the plug. The pump is too robust where the CPS wires used to run. The other was that the lower hose provided in the lists I have run across was not long enough to reach the lower radiator inlet. I am guessing that is another OBS part that the newer Powerstrokes can't use. By the time I figured that out, NAPA was already closed. All the other parts stores do not carry flex hose bigger than 2" ID. I need 2.25" at one end and 1.75 on the other. It also need to be 25" long. Soooooo, tomorrow I go in search of a lower hose. I did find the coolant I needed (EC-1 rated) in a nearby oil town. So I am good on that once I get the lower hose....

The below photos show how I extended the CPS wires so they would reach the plug. I just built a 6" extension with splices and put red wire loom on it. When doing the splices, make sure to stagger them so they aren't in one big lump. No photo of the wire loom installed...yet. It got dark on me...
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If this pump is the same as the IH pump if you look on here you will find a Dodge part number for the bottom hose that will work. You won't have to use a flex hose then. I don't have the number, by I'm sure someone on here dose.

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