86 F150 300ci I6, 4x4 shortbed. Current trans is shot NP-435 and looking to swap it with a T-19 if I can find one for that matter. What's the swap like, can it be done bolt for bolt?

this is an extension of a previous thread when I originally thought it was my rear differentials here: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-concerns.html

 

T19's came behind 460's and diesels. The 4 bolts would bolt up to the bellhousing, but I am not sure about the splines on the tranny input shaft. Some of those setups had a larger input shaft, so it would take a different clutch disc. Not to say you could not find a different clutch disc and make it all work. Do some research on the Ford spline counts on the input shafts. You have the NP-435 like you have now, and the t-18 also as choices. That tranny you have now is considered a good one, so don't be afraid to get another. Your tranny has a granny gear 1st correct?

 

Yes, granny gear. I just opened the lid up and definitely missing some teeth off of a few gears. I've been looking for hours online and can't find either trans. I may end up just rebuilding but then I don't know where to get the gears from.

EDIT: Found some places online and a complete tear down, rebuild manual. Came from GM but still a manual for the NP435

 

These transmissions were used in many makes of trucks, but the basic assembly and rebuilding proceedures are the same.
The only real advantage the T19 has over the T18 or NP435 is first gear is isn't quite as steep, and is syncro'd, so it's a bit more user-freindly.

 

My truck is used as mostly a daily driver when I can't take my bike. So I'm looking to get her back together swiftly cheaper, not fastest and cheapest. I've also purchased an intake with 4 barrel already mounted (fellow Marine has an 83 that a tree fell on during hurricane and the motor was never fired up with the new assembly on so I got it now). If I can find another NP435 or another tranny that will just bolt in and go, then I don't mind but I have yet to find a JY online with one. Waiting till Monday to call around, or just rebuild this one myself and spend a little extra money and time for a rebuild. Being in the USMC, we have an Auto Hobby shop with any tools I need to barrow if I need to save money and not buy them.

 

Here's what I found in North Carolina.
1987
Transmission
Ford Truck 250 MT.NP.4WD.6.9D.REBUILD JSMITH. TRN220 $500 Marsh Auto Parts USA-NC(Siler-City) E-mail 1-800-742-4715
1985
Transmission
Ford Truck F150 VERIFY TYPE 64,000 A RW1391 $500 West Auto Sales & Salvage USA-NC(Bethel) Request_Quote 252-825-1248 / 877-825-1317 Request_Insurance_Quote
1987
Transmission
Ford Truck F150 good 4spd.,STOCK NO. #86924 #86924 $450 City Salvage I, Inc. USA-NC(Charlotte) Request_Quote 1-800-532-0116 Request_Insurance_Quote
1978
Transmission
Ford Truck 250 4WD.MT.BEH 360MTR. 08404 $400 Marsh Auto Parts USA-NC(Siler-City) E-mail 1-800-742-4715
1987
Transmission
Ford Truck F150 CAST IRON ALUM TOP 4BOLT EXT TRIANG MISC $400 Eastern Automotive Inc. USA-NC(Four-Oaks) Request_Quote 1-919-934-4101 Request_Insurance_Quote
1985
Transmission
Ford Truck 150 CHECK ID $400 McLambs Auto Shop and Salvage USA-NC(Fuquay-Varina) Request_Quote 1-800-882-0111 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Transmission
Ford Truck 150 86,4SPEED 4wd 6D0016 $400 Auto Recyclers of Laurinburg, Inc. USA-NC(Laurinburg) Request_Quote 1-866-883-7278 Request_Insurance_Quote
1985
Transmission
Ford Truck 150 4X4,4SP NF310 $350 J and T Auto Parts, Inc. USA-NC(Marion) Request_Quote 1-800-274-8090 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Transmission
Ford Truck 150 158,000 D91018 $350 S & J Motor Company, Inc. of Yadkin USA-NC(Yadkinville) Request_Quote 1-336-961-2228 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Transmission
Ford Truck 250 75K NTC MANUF 75 TF $350 Beaver's Honda Salvage USA-NC(Mooresville) Request_Quote 1-704-932-8690 / 1-800-932-8690 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Transmission
Ford Truck F150 4SP,4.9,9/86, 176,000 A AC1255 $200.9 Matlock Used Auto Parts USA-NC(Cleveland) Request_Quote 1-800-428-0335 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Transmission
Ford Truck F150 4SP,5.0,9/86 187,000 A XC285 $200.9 Matlock Used Auto Parts USA-NC(Cleveland) Request_Quote 1-800-428-0335 Request_Insurance_Quote
1987
Transmission
Ford Truck F150 4SP,4.9,MT,NEW PRCS 435, 4X4- 149,000 A ACC937 $200.9 Matlock Used Auto Parts USA-NC(Cleveland) Request_Quote 1-800-428-0335 Request_Insurance_Quote
1987
Transmission
Ford Truck F150 MT, ,New Prcs 435, 4X4- 211,000 C XB043 $200.9 Matlock Used Auto Parts USA-NC(Cleveland) Request_Quote 1-800-428-0335 Request_Insurance_Quote
1987
Transmission
Ford Truck F150 4SP,5.0,3/87,MT, ,NEW PRCS 435, 4X4- 120,000 A XC111 $200.9 Matlock Used Auto Parts USA-NC(Cleveland) Request_Quote 1-800-428-0335 Request_Insurance_Quote
1986
Transmission
Ford Bronco Full Size NEW PROCES 4 SPD 146,000 A M327 $200 AAA Auto Salvage USA-NC(High-Point) Request_Quote 1-336-886-5076 1-800-672-5810 Request_Insurance_Quote
1982
Transmission
Ford Bronco Full Size U,4X4 56,000 A 030117 $Call Price Auto Parts USA-NC(Knightdale) Request_Quote 1-800-672-9211 Request_Insurance_Quote
1980
Transmission
Ford Truck 350 NP435.REB,JS,NOTE 101003 $Call Marsh Auto Parts USA-NC(Siler-City) E-mail 1-800-742-4715
1978
Transmission
Ford Truck F150 RANGER,4.0,F-MT,MT,SWB [400-01594] PG0251 $Call Case Used Parts #3 USA-NC(Parkton) E-mail 1-910-875-4405/1-866-200-2273
1980
Transmission
Ford Bronco CNFRM TYPE 300 4SPD A7-009 $Call S and D Auto Salvage USA-NC(Grover) Request_Quote 1-704-482-7222 / 1-888-381-7222 Request_Insurance_Quote
1984
Transmission
Ford Truck F350 -90360 90,000 93196 $Call Good Used Auto Parts USA-NC(Burlington) Request_Quote 336-421-8255 Request_Insurance_Quote
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Franklin.... THANK YOU.... also, teach me how you searched for those please. I was just googling the JY's in the area and pulling each website up and searching site by site.

 

The website Car-Part.com--Used Auto Parts Market. You will find out that some of the junkyard's do not know what they really have, or what they say they have, but it will give you an idea of where to start and call. You can see on some of the listings it says "verify ID" of the tranny.

 

Am I'm supposed to be the computer guy.... Thank you alot. This will have to be a discussion with the ol' lady on what I am going to do financially wise. She may tell me to get another job, LOL. I will be posting again when I have decided what route I'm going to take and this way if this needs to carry on, it can wait till later.

 

Ok, that has to be the fastest decision my ol' lady has ever made. She says, REBUILD it. So if I run into a snag, I'll create a new thread as this one was meant for swapping out the trans. Thanks to all very much.

 

Just to eliminate confusion if you are making inquiries over this -

You mentioned in the earlier thread that your trans was a 4-speed overdrive.........if so, it's not an NP435.
The NP435 is a 4-speed but is direct, not overdrive, in 4th.

They have an aluminum lid, with a cast iron case.
http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/np435.htm

If it IS an o/d transmission, the likely reason it was noisy in all gears except 3rd, is that 3rd is direct drive, with no gears transmitting power - 1,2 & 4 are driving through (damaged) gears.

 

Ken,
I am somewhat confused here now. My trans looks exactly like the NP435, my door code says 'B' and I've read somewhere that that code means a Clark?? When ripping it apart last night, I have found the busted gears as shown below in the links. Per the NP435 diagram, this is my 2nd gear. Also to include, there was no gear oil in the bottom of this trans and I have no drain plug so there's a reason this happened I just don't know where all the oil ran off to. The fist link is what the trans looks like (to me a NP435), the last 5 are of the gears missing lots of teeth.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/45839630/IMG_0100.JPG

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/45839630/IMG_0102.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/45839630/IMG_0103.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/45839630/IMG_0104.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/45839630/IMG_0115.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/45839630/IMG_0116.JPG

 

I'm not familiar with them, but I think that's a TOD, which is a light-duty 4-speed o/drive trans.
Definitely not an NP435

 

That first pic does appear as though it has an aluminum case, so you could be correct......

 

Anything in particular that I can take a picture of to help identify this trans? I really need to either rebuild or replace and I don't want to be ordering the incorrect parts or waste my time with a junk trans. And what is a TOD?