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No other vehicle listed as using this part other than F100 thru F600 truck, so does not appear to be a part originally made to use on a van or car or anything else.
You omitted the following from your post...

"NOTE: Part and Numbers included on this page pertain to the F100/350 reflector assemblies. Items listed might have other applications (other than '67-'72 F100/350 models) that are not included here."
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According to this website: Ford Truck Part Numbers (Reflector Assembly) - FORDification.com

Reflector part C7TZ-13380-C (type 4 - rectangular) is used for:

Rear & rear side (67-69)
Rear side (67)
Rear of platform (68-72)

"In states legally requiring Type A reflectors"

No other vehicle listed as using this part other than F100 thru F600 truck, so does not appear to be a part originally made to use on a van or car or anything else.


You parts guys are trying to gang up on me huh?? LOL!! Also they say this on their website......WHICH IS CORRECT:

"Stricter new 1968 Federal safety regulations required use of reflectors at the rear of the truck. The 1967 models did not have any, while 1968 had side reflectors but none below the tail-light and 1969 versions (pictured above center) had them below the tail-lights and along the sides. For the 1970-1972 models, the rear reflector was reshaped as well as the side reflector, which was moved up into the side-panel ridge and illuminated from behind (above right). The bed/s quarter panel extensions on '70-'72 bed were redesigned to accommodate this lighted reflector. The ridge was 'cut down' about halfway and included a hole for mounting the light assembly."

All I can say is.......just show me one. I can sit here all day showing trucks that support what I am saying.
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You omitted the following from your post...

"NOTE: Part and Numbers included on this page pertain to the F100/350 reflector assemblies. Items listed might have other applications (other than '67-'72 F100/350 models) that are not included here."

Exactly......Thats what I was saying earlier. They might have used them on other vehicles.......that I do not know.
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Williamwilliam, I'm not trying to take a side and gang up on you, no. lol. I just took the part number and went searching, considering the possibility that I might find it listed as an application for some other vehicle.

montana_highboy - I "omitted" that? Well if you mean I didn't cut and paste the text from the entire webpage, then yeah I guess I "omitted" that. When they list applications that include F100 thru F600 in the application description below, the text at the top saying this applies to F100 thru F350 only is obviously misleading. But how does that pertain to the disagreement at hand? Is someone arguing that it came on F600 but not F350? No.

Williamwilliam I'm sure you can show me pics of 67's all day that didn't come with reflectors. Quite possibly only one or 2 states required them so the vast majority don't have them, but the fact that Ford made them in 1967, for F100 thru F600 trucks, means that somewhere out there, they were used.
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I can not only show you 67's, but I can show you 68's that do not have them like the green one I posted earlier that do not have the reflector below the tail light bezels.....again.....all day long. I cant see Ford making a bezel in 67 and not using them until 69. Thats why Im thinking maybe they used them on some other applications......but not the Ford trucks we are discussing in this thread.
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But how does that pertain to the disagreement at hand?
How? very easily, it goes to the very heart of the debate that's taking place here, the following statement echoes the very same point williamwilliam is making "Items listed might have other applications (other than '67-'72 F100/350 models) that are not included here."

No one's arguing they have a '67 part number, on that we all concur, the only point of contention is which, if any, applications the reflectors were used on in '67-'68.
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How? very easily, it goes to the very heart of the debate that's taking place here, the following statement echoes the very same point williamwilliam is making "Items listed might have other applications (other than '67-'72 F100/350 models) that are not included here."

No one's arguing they have a '67 part number, on that we all concur, the only point of contention is which, if any, applications the reflectors were used on in '67-'68.
I was searching with that part number to try and find if it was used in another application, but wasn't able to find anything. Nonetheless, the point of my post was to show that the application it is listed for is F100-F600 trucks starting at the 1967 model year, that goes to the heart of the topic. So regardless of whether "other" applications exist, the point still being, it is listed as applying to Ford trucks starting with the 67 model year.
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You omitted the following from your post...

"NOTE: Part and Numbers included on this page pertain to the F100/350 reflector assemblies. Items listed might have other applications (other than '67-'72 F100/350 models) that are not included here."
This has nothing to do with FoMoCo. Fordification pruned the Ford truck parts catalog. **
There are no other applications for C7TZ-13380-A & C7TZ-13380-B which btw are listed for "under the taillamp 1967/69 F100/250 Stylesides," not for F350 Stylesides.

If there were other applications, I would have listed same, because I have every Ford car and truck parts catalog from 1928 thru 2001.

They are not listed for FoMoCo Passenger Cars, nor for Bronco's, nor Econolines, nor for flying wombats, or anything else.
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** Look at the 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog page that cracker289 listed in post #15.

What Fordification did was...eliminate everything that did not apply to F100/600's. There's nothing listed for F800/1000's, nor any B/C/E/H/N/NT/T/W series (1966/79 Bronco parts are listed in the car parts catalogs).

So, this page was excerpted (pruned, cut down) from TEXT ~ SECTION 130 ~ Pages 16 - 17 - 18.
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And...do y'all see any other applications for C7TZ-13380-A & C7TZ-13380-B in this pruned section? I don't either. Notice that the various types are illustrated, it's unusual to see illustrations in the text sections.

But, because there were sooo many, it was a necessity to illustrate them.

Look at 1967's, then at 1968's. ...they look the same at first glance...but looks can be deceiving. 1967's have parts that are 1967 ONLY, including...

The doors, most of the door internal parts, firewall, dashboard, ashtray, radio, heater, ignition switch, master cylinders, prop valves, power boosters, brake/clutch pedals, bracket they suspend from under the dash.

Grilles, hood side emblems, instrument cluster backs, yadda yadda yadda!

It takes 4 to 5 years to design/engineer/style a new vehicle before it can be introduced. The Feds made changes to some laws, the 1967's were too far advanced to change them, so the changes occurred in 1968.
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I am looking around for info on these reflectors. Everytime I look up a C7TZ-13380-A, it takes me to the Type 6 reflector that is on a 69. Looking at the part numbers and pictures at fordification, it also lists the following which I know did not happen unless it was on some kind of camper special, which then it would be a light and not a reflector:


year location Type color qty number
'67 F100/350 Front fender Type4 Amber 2 *C7TZ-13380-D


Then there is this at the bottom for the "*"
Symbol (in the text listings or exploded-view diagram) indicates part is not supplied for service due to the following:
a. Part is superseded and replaced as indicated in the description column of text
b. Part can be improvised as indicated in the description column of text
c. Due to it's function there would be little or no demand




Ive never seen those either. Ive read that the C7TZ was when the mold was made but not used until 1969. I think I am gonna call DC monday and see what they say since his catalog lists that part for only a 1969 as well, or maybe they can point me in the right direction as someone may know for sure?
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I am looking around for info on these reflectors. Everytime I look up a C7TZ-13380-A, it takes me to the Type 6 reflector that is on a 69. Looking at the part numbers and pictures at fordification....

It also lists the following which I know did not happen unless it was on some kind of Camper Special ** which then it would be a light and not a reflector:

Year location Type color qty number '67 F100/350 Front fender Type 4 Amber (2) C7TZ-13380-D
Since the parts catalog's Text section in post #15 has been cut-down, pruned by Fordification (there are actually 3 pages of these reflectors in the parts catalog), you are only seeing the F100 thru F600 applications.

Here's the whole tamale:

C7TZ-13380-D = 1967 F100/350: Front FENDER / 1967/69 F100/750: GRILLE / 1968/70 B500/750: GRILLE (B-School Bus) / 1968/69 C550/600 Platform (flatbed) & Platform and Rack (stake bed): Front of PLATFORM / 1967/72 F100/600 Platform & Platform and Rack: Front of PLATFORM / 1967 Econoline: FRONT & front SIDE / 1969 Econoline: GRILLE / 1970 F500/750: GRILLE / 1968/69 N/NT500/1000: HOOD / 1968/69 N/NT500/600 Platform & Platform and Rack: Front of PLATFORM / 1970/72 L/LN/LNT/LT/LTS500/900: Front FENDER

** C9TZ-15442-D (replaced C8TZ-15442-F) .. Marker Lamp Assy-Amber-Front Fender mounted.

Applications: 1968/72 F100/350 CAMPER SPECIAL / 1968/72 F350 w/DRW Platforrn & Platform and Rack / 1968/72 F500/750.

Since you have no parts catalog, if you happen to acquire one, when you look in it under basic part number 13380, you wont see any reference to Platform & Platform and Rack, because...

Only their Body Styles are listed. Platform: 80 / Platform & Rack: 86 / If I had only typed the body styles, y'all prolly wouldn't have known what I was listing.

And, just for the record, 81 is a Cab & Chassis, 83 is a Flareside Pickup, 99 is a Styleside pickup.

Pics of the various Trucks and Econolines and their Body Styles are shown in General Info Section, pages 67-74.
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I've read that the C7TZ was when the mold was made, but was not introduced until 1969.
What in the world? Where did you dig this info up? If you had any Ford experience, you would know that's absolutely false.

You can call DC, but if there is no one there that was WORKING for FoMoCo or a Ford Dealer in 1967, what kind of answer will you get? It'll be rumor and heresay only.

Seems we have thoroughly the OP's thread, but at least y'all know where to find some NOS C7TZ-13380-A's and C7TZ-13380-B's (listed in post #5).
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The MPC is kind of confusing for those reflectors, but that's not unusual. It can be WRONG, too!!

For example, the MPC doesn't list the correct bulbs for 70-72 instrument cluster lamps. It lists 1895 for about everything from 64-up, but 70-72 clusters use a 194 bulb.
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The MPC is kind of confusing for those reflectors, but that's not unusual. It can be WRONG, too!!

For example, the MPC doesn't list the correct bulbs for 70-72 instrument cluster lamps. It lists 1895 for about everything from 64-up, but 70-72 clusters use a 194 bulb.
With 4,149 pages of text, there is bound to be at least one error in the 1964/72 truck catalog.

C2AZ-13466-C .. 194 Bulb / There is no application for this bulb in the 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog for any series truck, nor for Econolines.

1970 Econolines use the same two pirinted circuits as 1970 F100/350's

1971/74 Econolines use the same two printed circuits as 1971/72 F100/350's.

I did find the 194 bulb in the '65/72 car parts catalog. Description: 2 candle power, "wedge" shaped.

However, I have two other older truck parts catalogs that cover 1957/68's only (final printing 2/1968), one on paper, one on microfiche.

Both list those fracatta C7TZ-13380-A & B reflectors for 1967/68. Since these catalogs were printed 2/1968, there are no applications for any 1969.
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You can call DC, but if there is no one there that was WORKING for FoMoCo or a Ford Dealer in 1967, what kind of answer will you get? It'll be rumor and heresay only.
With all due respect numberdummy, I would think that if Dennis obtained all the molds, etc. from Ford, I would think that he and others working there know a great deal about what came on these trucks originally. I know people who restore 40 and 41 Ford cars that probably know a great deal more about those cars than the actual people who worked at Ford back then, probably more than the people who actually put the cars together on the assembly line!! Like I said earlier, there are part numbers that I have seen that were stamped with a C9 number but actually did not go on a mustang until 1970......so I am pretty sure that may be the case here as well. Maybe someone on this site can come forward and prove me wrong with an all original truck built in 67 or 68 that came with the reflector under the back tail light bezels, but I very seriously doubt that will happen simply because it never did. So, I will start a thread just to see if someone might have one of these famous trucks, and over on Fordification as well, just for giggles!
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Something else that gets me too and my question isthis......why would they put a reflector on the rear of the truck under the tail light bezel of a 67 and not have put that bed side reflector on a 67, because that reflector did not come out until 68, part number C8TZ-13380-A & B? Even the hood on the 67 does not have a reflector as the 68 and up does. That in itself would not make any sense to me to put a reflector on the back of a 67 and not the 68, which I know for a fact a 68 did not come with them on the rear of the truck under the taillight bezel. They list a "FENDER" reflector for 67, C7TZ-13380-D, that is supposively an amber color that I must say I have NEVER seen. The more I think about it the more I believe that maybe the mold was made in 67 and not introduced to the assebly line until 69. Sorry.
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I have no dog in this fight, i'm a dentside guy after all , but being the curious sort that i am i decided to search Google, Yahoo and Bing, performing both web and image searches, entering the phrase "original 1967 ford f100" into the search bar, and following up with the very same searches for 1968 and 1969.

I literally came across hundreds of pics through various sites, e.g. old craigslist and ebay postings, truck forums, personal blogs, classifieds, etc., etc., and down to a truck NO 67/68 had the reflector under the tail light bezel, on the flip side of that equation EVERY 69 did have said reflector, so FWIW that's my take on the matter, i believe williamwilliam to be correct on this one.
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