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ford 223 I6 year id

hello all,

lately i have been pauged by this question........what year is my 223?

the most i know is the block casting #is EBP. from what i found it has a front sump, which points to a car engine. The distributor is in the front, it has a oil bath air cleaner, with a breather tube to the valve cover, and no breather cap on the cover as well. the engine is orange in color, and also has a vaccumm fuel pump for the windsheild wiper motor.

Any ideas???

i can get pictures but it currently is in about 4 pieces since i am putting in a new gasket set.

Lets see what we can come up with.

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If I remember correctly there is supposed to be a small pad with a stamped number/letter combo on the block at the very front top corner on the drivers side, just under the deck. It's supposed to tell you something, but I honestly don't remember what.
I can't even read mine anymore.

Not a whole lot of "documentation information" on these 223's unfortunately.
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A few notes about Ford engine casting numbers.
Unlike GM, or Chrysler, these cast-on numbers are NOT serial numbers, they are DESIGN numbers. As when the part (in this case engine block or head) was originally designed & what it was originally designed for (falcon, mustang, truck, etc.). It is possible & common to have, from the factory, a "Falcon" engine in a Fairlane or vise-versa. It is also possible & common to have a block or head that is "older" than the vehicle (a '61 engine in a '62 vehicle for example). Also, ford had (still has?) an "empty-bin" policy. As long as a part can be used, it is to be used. A rather well known example is with the '68 302 V8s that had "289" blocks. The "serial numbers" on the blocks were an older year, but the internal parts of the engine were newer. For this reason, be very carefull when someone is selling a "numbers matching" Ford car. Just because the "numbers match," does not necessarily mean it is original.


Early overhead valve six
215/223/262
These engines were ford's first overhead valve motor in 1952 as the 215. This is what I have on this engine family.
All: valve arrangement: (front to rear) E-I-I-E-I-E-E-I-E-I-I-E, solid lifters, 4 main bearings, most had a cast aluminum timing cover though some had a stamped steel one, '52-63 used a 1/4" oil pump shaft while '64+ used a 5/16" shaft.

215 (3.5L):
1952-1953
bore 3.56 X stroke 3.6
Chain driven cam, distributor in center right of block, 2 nuts holding down valve cover
Found in light trucks, cars, tractors & industrial applications (?)
A few were used in the Funk 2N, 8N, & 9N tractor conversions.
Painted light (ford?) green
Door codes; trucks: D (cars as well?)
Extra info:
- The trucks 215s were painted a light green and were known as the "Cost Clipper Six." It was rated at 101hp @ 3500 rpm (91hp @ 3400 for trucks). For its time it had a very hot cam, intake opens at 18*BTC and closes at 68*ATC with a duration of 276* and the exhaust open at 55* BBC and closes at 22*ATC with a duration of 267*
- 1953 the truck 215 block was painted a mint green color and the valve cover was a forest green.
- 1953 car 215s were painted tangerine orange with a silver valve cover and a black generator and starter. Other the silver valve cover it is the same paint scheme as the '52-'53 Flathead V8s.
- Another difference from '52 to '53 was the timing cover plate. The motor mounts are cast into it.

223 (3.7L):
1954-1964(7)
bore 3.625 X stroke 3.6
Chain driven cam, distributor in front right, '54-60 used 7/16" Head Bolts, '61-4 used 1/2" head bolts, '54 – 59 2 nuts holding down valve cover, '60 – 64(5) 8 bolts holding down valve cover, '63-4 Police Interceptor & Special Taxicab engines used a gear driven cam.
Found in light trucks & cars, tractors & industrial applications, Found in Ford model 6000 gas tractors
Found in DIVCO trucks as the "F" series motor to '65(?)
’55 block & intake painted yellow, valve cover silver
'63-4 painted same as 170 ci I6
Door codes; cars- '54-'59: A, '60-'64: V
trucks- -'64: J
Extra info:
- marketed as the "Mileage Maker Six"

262 (4.3L):
1961-1964(7)
bore 3.718 X stroke 4.03
Gear driven cam, distributor in front right of block, '61 - 64(7) 8 bolts holding down valve cover, early/big truck models had a fuel pump driven by an eccentric on the timing gear, later models ('64) had the fuel pump driven by an eccentric on the cam, exhaust manifold didn’t have a heat riser as the carb used a water heated spacer.
Truck only motor ('61-4 C550 & C600 tilt cab trucks, F600 trucks, B600 busses, '64 light trucks), possible industrial applications
Found in DIVCO trucks as the "G" series motor to '65(?)
Door code- '61-'64: B
Additional 262 info (thanks to the inliner's site):
- The Hollander exchange manual says the 262 was made from 1961 to 1964.It will replace a 215 or 223 by switching some parts depending what the motor is going into. 223 heads can be used on the 262,but different years use different temp. sending units. Also early 223 heads will have to have the head bolt holes in the head drilled out so the 1/2-inch head bolts can be used. Intakes interchange, as will exhaust manifolds, but check the header pipe size and location where it fits on the manifold. Rocker arms of all types interchange. Three types of connecting rods were used.1961 to 1963 had heavy-duty cranks (steel)? And 1964 had both light duty (cast?) cranks and heavy duty cranks same as 1961 to 1963.Oil pans should interchange, but may have a larger capacity or a different sump location. I would pickup a Ford master parts catalog for more information.
- The Jan 96 12 Port news has a brief article on the 3 heavy truck engines: Chevy 261, Ford 262, and Mopar 265. It mentions that the Ford has an extra massive cast rib on the left side above the oil pan; 3.72 bore and 4.03 stroke; and full low oil filtration.

Other info:
This series of motors were last produced in 1964, though info from truck manuals suggests that they were produced till '67 for truck/industrial applications. These motors differ from most ford I6s in that the intake & exhaust are on the left (driver's) side, much like the GM I6. Some parts will interchange with the Y-blocks, though the bell housings are different. A 240/300 distributor can be used on the '64 and later blocks with the 5/16" oil pump shaft. Earlier motors can be upgraded with this equipment, but may need machining of the distributor hole & the oil pump will need to be changed to the later style.
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Another difference between the 52 and 53 engines is the exhaust manifold. In 52, the manifold pointed straight down where it attached to the exhaust pipe. In 53, it was angled to the right (almost at 45 degrees) in the same area.
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Colonel,

From the info you posted, it sounds like my engine is a 223 or 262. It came from a '52 F1 and the seller assumed it was a 215 or 223, but he bought the truck from an estate so never talked with the previous owner.

It appears to me that the engine was swapped at some point because the bell housing is still green as is the timing cover with cast in engine mounts.

Do the pics below help to ID it? The casting on the blcok is C1AE-6015-K.

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By the way, can you tell me what it is that is behind the starter? It looks like a can of some sort mounted directly behind the starter.
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I don't see the usual markers that would make it a 262, timing cover mounted petrol pump, reinforcement ribs on the block, oil filler cap mounted 1/3 of the way in on the valve cover, etc.
So that stated, it more than likely an early '60s 223.
Need a better picture of what ever that is mounted behind the starter.
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Colonel,

From the info you posted, it sounds like my engine is a 223 or 262. It came from a '52 F1 and the seller assumed it was a 215 or 223, but he bought the truck from an estate so never talked with the previous owner.

It appears to me that the engine was swapped at some point because the bell housing is still green as is the timing cover with cast in engine mounts.

Do the pics below help to ID it? The casting on the blcok is C1AE-6015-K.

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By the way, can you tell me what it is that is behind the starter? It looks like a can of some sort mounted directly behind the starter.
From your casting number I believe it to be a '61. It could have been out of a car as a truck casting number would start with C1TE verses C1AE.

What did you have on it for a tranny? I beleve that "can", object is just a homemade cover for the end of the starter. Those I have seen before were always inside the bell housing. First one I have seen like this.
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From your casting number I believe it to be a '61. It could have been out of a car as a truck casting number would start with C1TE verses C1AE.

What did you have on it for a tranny? I beleve that "can", object is just a homemade cover for the end of the starter. Those I have seen before were always inside the bell housing. First one I have seen like this.
glad you posted 1rst, I said 1961 as well and he has assumed that he bought a 1952 engine....seems not....I don't know anything about what will or won't
should or shouldn't work. but those casting numbers say 1961...The first 2 digits are all I get! LOL
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Yup, it's an early 60s 223. The engine is basically the same structure as a 215. However, starting in 53, the timing cover was changed. In 52, the engine mounts were cast into the timing cover, while in 53, the mount was a bolt on bracket that went on the timing cover (the cast-in mounts were eliminated).

The bellhousing and front timing cover color is a 1952 cover. These items were necessary to swap from the 215 onto this motor in order for the 223 to mount properly in the 52, and for the trans to mount correctly.

The "cup" on the back end of the starter, in the bellhousing, is stock and correct. It covers and protects the spring drive.
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Mileage Maker I6 engine

I am new to this forum.

I think my 1955 Model P35 delivery truck has this engine.

Do you know if this is the engine that fits the Ford Edsel?

If I wanted to sell my engine, do you know if there is a big demand for this size?

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Not sure if the same engine was used in Edsels. They were used, however, in Ford cars for sure.

There's a buyer for everything, but finding that buyer could take time. Most people replace their tired stock engines with something newer, like SBC, SBF, etc. It took me a few years to find the correct 215 for my 52. However, once I found the first one, I soon found a few more.
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I am new to this forum.

I think my 1955 Model P35 delivery truck has this engine.

Do you know if this is the engine that fits the Ford Edsel?

If I wanted to sell my engine, do you know if there is a big demand for this size?

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Yes, the 223 I6 was used in the Ford Edsel.
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1960/64 Passenger Car 223 I-6. The 262 I-6 block (1961/64) would not have a C1AE casting number. I'm not sure if the 1960/64 223 truck engine has a different casting number...or not.

Did'ja all notice the head/valve cover? In 1960, FoMoCo changed both, the valve cover is retained to the head with 8 bolts around its perimeter.

1952/53 215, 1954/59 223: Two studs protrude thru the valve cover, acorn nuts/washers are used to retain it to the head.

Casting number are foundry marks, cannot be cross referenced to Ford part numbers and there's no such thing as numbers matching on any FoMoCo product of this era (not until the mid 1980's).

Numbers matching is a GM thing.

The 223 exhaust manifold is the same 1954/64 Passenger Car/Truck. But, is almost impossible to find, as its very prone to cracking.

It's possible that someone stuck that can on the back of the starter to protect the Bendix inertia type starter drive. When unwound, it takes muscle to rewind it.

The 223 was the standard equipment engine: 1954/64 F100/600, 1958/60 Edsel "price leader" Ranger models, 1954/64 Ford full sized Passenger Cars.

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What you have is a P350 (3/4 ton) P Series Parcel Delivery. Commonly referred to as a "bread truck" because so many bakeries used them.

The P Series is essentially the same 1953/77. 1953/55's are 6V positive ground, 1956/77 are 12V negative ground. Engine/trans changes were made in 1965.
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btw: The 223 exhaust manifold is the same 1954/64 Passenger Car/Truck. But, is almost impossible to find, as its very prone to cracking.
I've collected a couple that don't appear to be cracked.
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