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Old 10-02-2011, 05:53 PM
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Swap M5OD Mazda to ZF 5 speed in a f150 is it a direct bolt up

i have a 302 4x4 f150 with the mazda m5od trans and i want to put the heavy zf 5 speed trans in the truck. will i have to change anything or is it as simple as just switching the transmissions. thanks
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You will need a tranny that comes from a 4x4 heavy duty F250, or F350 with the following engines - 300-6cyl, 302 or 351.


The truck the ZF5 comes out of, MUST be a 4x4 also. Converting a 2wd tranny to 4x4 is not worth the effort. The entire tranny has to be tooken apart.... and the ZF5 is no walk in the park!

The ZF5 is shorter than your M5R2 Mazda tranny, so you will need a new driveshaft.



For these kind of things, it's sometimes cheaper and easier, finding a whole donor truck.



But yes, as long as the 4x4 ZF5 comes off a 300-6cyl, 302 or 351, shes a direct bolt in deal!
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Yep, grab the parts and bolt her in! I converted my F150 from the AOD automatic to the ZF5 a couple years ago. There are a couple differences (like the difference in length, but driveshafts are easy to find at a salvage yard if you've got one nearby), and you might need a different hose for the clutch ( I don't remember off-hand). Hope this helps!
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Is it REALLY worth the swap? For someone who doesn't haul much...

Seems a close ratio ZF would suit me.....I need a slave cylinder, shifter forks, etc.....About $350-400 as is.....

Sooooo

Would I be better off with a close ratio ZF? I have a 4x2 truck.....
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I don't know about you, but my parts truck had a Mazda tranny, and I absolutely hated the really tall reverse gear! And the truck had 3.55's!

My ZF5 has 377k miles behind my 7.3 Diesel and i've never touched it...., Reverse loves grinding sometimes, but that's the only common problem with the ZF.
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I don't know about you, but my parts truck had a Mazda tranny, and I absolutely hated the really tall reverse gear! And the truck had 3.55's!

My ZF5 has 377k miles behind my 7.3 Diesel and i've never touched it...., Reverse loves grinding sometimes, but that's the only common problem with the ZF.
I don't mind the reverse gear...Its the d**** forward gears.....3rd is my stoutest pulling gear.....If 1,2,4,5 was more like 3rd....I'd leave it alone...
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I don't mind the reverse gear...Its the d**** forward gears.....3rd is my stoutest pulling gear.....If 1,2,4,5 was more like 3rd....I'd leave it alone...
I have noticed the same in my 88, shoot, with the 3.55's and 32's it doesn't even get into 5th all that often. but thats why my bronco has an 8 speed
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I have noticed the same in my 88, shoot, with the 3.55's and 32's it doesn't even get into 5th all that often. but thats why my bronco has an 8 speed
If I could simply swap the actual gears out...I'd be happy.....

I mean hell...The danged thing already shifts like a stinkin dumptruck...Why not add the plunger handle in a bucket of gravel shifter also?
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If I could simply swap the actual gears out...I'd be happy.....

I mean hell...The danged thing already shifts like a stinkin dumptruck...Why not add the plunger handle in a bucket of gravel shifter also?
the zf5 is a much more truck/tow-friendly tranny. the mazda trans is a pretty tall tranny, i always felt like it shoulda been in a car vs a truck. . .if you dont like your mazda gears, i think youd be quite happy with the zf5. keep in mind 1st gear is granny so you'd prob never take off in 1st unloaded with your 2wd.

to the OP: as long as you have the right zf5 to mate your 302 4x4, then its a direct swap for the mazda trans. i changed nothing when i did mine.
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the mazda trans is a pretty tall tranny, i always felt like it shoulda been in a car vs a truck. . .
like a thunderbird?
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You will need a tranny that comes from a 4x4 heavy duty F250, or F350 with the following engines - 300-6cyl, 302 or 351. The truck the ZF5 comes out of, MUST be a 4x4 also. Converting a 2wd tranny to 4x4 is not worth the effort. ... The ZF5 is shorter than your M5R2 Mazda tranny, so you will need a new driveshaft. ... But yes, as long as the 4x4 ZF5 comes off a 300-6cyl, 302 or 351, shes a direct bolt in deal!
in my case, i have a 2WD F150 with the M5OD bolted to a 4.2L V6... is there a ZF5 i could swap in as a "direct bolt up"?
my truck is a 2000 regular cab with the 6 1/2 foot bed.
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I know nothing of the bolt paterns on the Ford modular engines, you'd have to ask in the 97-03 F-series forum.
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im pretty darn sure that the pattern is different and if you wanted something strong it would have to be from behind either a 5.4 or v10. if they even got 5 speeds...
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I am looking for a donor truck to change out my 96 4x4 5 spd to a zf 5 speed. I understand it must be a 4x4, 300,302 or 351 but what years would I need to narrow my search to? How do you identify the zf? Thanks!
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