Look at post #29...already listed the bellhousing and its applications, but...

IMO, nothing has been solved, because how does the OP really know if the engine is a 390, or an FE?

It could be an FT engine, since a truck the Brownie came in originally coulda had one. The way to tell is by the harmonic balancer, that info is also in post 29.

I HATE SWAPS! You wanna know why?

Peeps make these changes, do not record what the parts came from. Then, down the road when something breaks, they or subsequent owners waltz into the parts dept, lay a pile of greasy parts on the counter and say:

What are these parts from? I've been thru this scenario countless times when I was paid to do this jazz, now I'm doing the same thing on FTE for nothing.

 

Hey...according to the time NumberDummy did it at 11:57 PM - with 3 minutes to spare.

I am slower, it's 12:11 AM, so you may be right.....



As ND said, not sure if this helps much.

 

Post #22: Old Harley posted the only pic in the parts catalog that shows these parts, and he did it before midnight.

I actually listed the info at 9:57 PM PDT, cuz right now, it's 10:30 PM PDT here in LA LA Land.

 

Ageed.... Im just trying to help out a fellow 61-66 4x4er. Sounds like to me he needs to do a little more research on what motor he does have. Possibly open a new thread in the Fe big block section and ask some questions. Maybe if we can help him figure out what he has it will be easier on the partsman he will probably have to encounter. Oh and thats why I hate hearing about all these guys scabbing 4x4 together from 2x4s cause I know someone is in for trouble down the road when something breaks or is never put together right in the first place. Granted there is some nice work being done. But some of the questions I see being asked on this site and others just scare me. Anyway I hope wildfoot6 does post up some more pics of how that is all hung together. Maybe we can all learn something. Good or bad.

 

And I did try to post up a pic of a FE bell housing for this application and my pic posting web wont let me in for some reason.

Here it is I suppose better late than never. I happen to think after looking at the pic of the proper bellhousing. Wildfoot6 will need a different timing chain cover to go with the bellhousing and the proper front motor mount. All these parts are in the picture. Memory is foggy on what he will need for a flywheel I believe there might be two diffent sizes depending on what the bellhousing comes off of. The timing chain cover is thicker than your standard timing cover. The four bottom bolts go through the front motor mount through the timing cover and into the block.All need parts to install a FE motor in the 61-66 f250 4x4 and F350 are in the pic.



If Wildfoot6 is lucky this is the stock setup his truck still has. If not he may be looking for a while to come up with it. Wildfoot6 if you are still following this thread post up some pics of your front motor mounting set up.

 

What questions could he ask in the FE forum that couldn't be answered in this forum?

He's already encountered a partsman...guess who. I have the same ref's that dealerships have (if they have any), have two websites to search for obsolete parts.

One is the Ford Dealer parts locator system...only available to dealership partspeeps (and some a their pals ).

What Ford partspeep in a dealership will want to get involved? Next to none.

Most don't know diddly-squat about older vehicles, many of the older parts catalogs have been thrown away. Many are not really partspeeps at all, they are computer certified techs.

In today's world, all that is needed is the vehicles specific VIN. Type the puppy into the system, ALL the part numbers appear on the screen.

And for decades, since most partspeeps don't know squat about older vehicles, they don't wanna get involved since they assume the parts are obsolete and they get paid on commission.

So, there is no reason to waste time, because they won't see a penny for their efforts.

The second the year is mentioned, the partspeeps say OBSOLETE whether the parts are...or not, because they just wanna shine the customers on.

I had a huge following when I was working because I knew this jazz forwards and backwards, and belonged to myriad Ford car clubs.

But, I would usually take the info, call the customers back, because I was too busy passing out parts to mechanics at the back parts counter.

Other dealerships were sending customers to me, because I wanted to get involved. Most of the partsguys I knew back then thought I was nuts.

AFAIK, besides myself, only one other partspeep in the LA district was "into" old cars. Today, he owns a Mustang resto shop in North Hollywood.

 

Well Bill I think Wildfoot6 should have gleened enough info tonight that he now needs to step back and take a think. Me Im going to and ask you if you know where a guy can come up with a relieable and complete wiring diagram for a 65 F100. I have the middle service manual book of the 3 for the 65 fords and there is no wiring diagram in it. It must be in one of the other two. Any help there would be appreciated.

PS hey I dont doubt a word you are saying about your credentials. I think its great you are still in it up to your eyeballs helping us hobbiests out when we need it. I dont have near the backround as you. I do know that I have been up to my elbows with grease and dirt and any other kind of stuff these 4x4s have on them. And I have the school of hard knocks from working on and restoring them to pull my info from. Hey if something I have found out or know can help someone with a problem or situation they are having with their 61-66 4x4 truck Im glad to help out. Just another hobbiest out here and no one is paying me either. But when you help someone out there is a payoff.

 

Shop manuals came out the first year there were major changes, then yearly supplements were added until major changes occurred again.

So, you will need a 1961 shop manual, and the supplements that apply to the years of your trucks.

There were separate wiring diagrams, came in huge 'flip out' 2' x 3' bound catalogs, were used by dealership personal. Finding one today may be difficult.

You might check with faxonautolit.com (has a real store in Riverside CA you can waltz into). The owner (Ed Faxon) is a Ford collector, has been buying/selling literature for over 40 years.

When I was vacationing in WA/OR 7/21-8/7, "Squire" Don (camperspecial65) and I spent a day driving around the Seatac area, visited a whole slew of dealerships.

We were looking for parts catalogs, shop manuals, other assorted literature, microfiche viewers and microfiche slides.

Only one dealership had anything, and didn't wanna get rid of it.

btw: The 1957/63 & 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalogs are available on CD's from hipoparts.com. However, the wiring diagrams are next to useless, only show basic part numbers.

 

Thanks Bill I have the 61-63 shop service books. Ive only been able to find the middle book of the 3 for the 65. I will try the web page for Ed Faxon to see whats avalible there. You are very right not smart to go into these 4x4s without any knowledge before hand if you are an impatient person you are in for alot of heartbreak as exact replacement parts can be somewhat hard to find. I suppose due in part to the low numbers of these trucks being manufactured. I started some of my parts gathering for the 63 over 20 some years ago when you could still go to your local Ford dealer and purchase some of them over the counter. If I knew how hard the inner parts for the steering column would be to find I would have bought a semi truck full. Hindsight as they say is 20/20. Thanks again.

 

The 3 speed shift collar and horn button, while obsolete, are EZ to find because there are dozens still available from Ford Dealers/obsolete parts vendors.

The 1961/65 upper bearing and nylon sleeve are available from Ford. What else do you need?

Dunno if I'd name a truck Susie-Q, but I do have a Basset Hound named that.

 

Buzz 44 Thanks for the pictures, I have the same set up as you do. The only thing different is that it has a brownie transmission in it. With the orginal 4 speed trans. Here is whats on the vin tag "F260 Model, M81 Body, Trans. A B5K. The truck runs fine, Dont need motor mounts, or bell houseing, Just need that piece with the bushings and bolts.

 

Here is another picture of what it looks like now. the piece I need is that piece of steel where the red bushing are. If you notice it has been bent and motifyied. looking for the bushing and the bolts.

 

Dunno if I'd name a truck Susie-Q, but I do have a Basset Hound named that.

Always thought Id like to have a girlfriend named that. Now I do.

For Wildfoot6 Carolina Classics does have a bolt in crossmember for 61-66 ford trucks. I saw it the other day when I was looking at their online catalog. Im not sure it will fit 4x4 frame. You will have to research that part of it yourself. I dont know if it was made to fit browning trans as they were not standard equipment in the smaller series trucks. Good luck.

 

Basiclly I have a steering wheel with a horn button and a spring. Moving down the column from there. The top end of the column is empty. I do have the parts in my 63 column but that is in the back of the shop and its been a few years since I layed eyes on it so not sure what is suppose to go in there. Im at work right now so looking at that column will have to wait till I get home. I do have a 63 fleet parts break down book for the full line of ford trucks that I can look at for a pictorial view of the needed parts. The 65 didnt even have a blinker light lever left as the guts are gone from the top end of the column.

 

Wildfoot6 go to the FE FT forum. Look at the thread called hiboy-headers and go to post #25. This post is by Muscletruck7379 it is of a 73 4x4. The pics in that post look like the rear transmounting frame crossmember that you are looking for. Looks like you will probably need the mount that goes between the trans and the crossmember. I dont know if the frames are the same width I know somewhere in the 70s they changed width. Might be worth a look anyway.