Perception of Value. My dad bought a new Tundra with the 5.7 (does this sound right), and the highest interior package (didn't want ti order and that was what was on the lot), and I must say it pales in comparison to a modest Lariat in terms if interior appointments and "niceties"....let alone my Platinum which is in a totally separate class. Additionally, his big motor seemed beefy until my 6.2 was next to it on some asphalt...I never exceeded 3500 RPM's and absolutely dusted him. I'm not the biggest fan of the current shift strategy in my truck, but when you giver her a little extra goose, she performs like an F-16.
I think the Tundra is a very nice truck, and has it's place in the market.
For what I want / need, the F-150 is the far better choice though, that's why the Ford is what I will get.
But I don't like the brand bashing all that much. It's a truck, we are very lucky that there is competition.
The one thing I'm not certain in quoting tow values as the Tundra is currently rated per the SAE J2807 standard (which dropped their initially released tow rating by 400 - 1,100 lbs depending on trim and configuration) and I'm not sure about the Fords yet as I've never seen it stated so in Ford documentation; it would be nice to see everyone compared to the same standard now as opposed to in 2013 or 2014. I assume everyone's tow rating is going to drop due to the performance test, carrying another person besides the driver, using the lowest numerically possible gear ratio for that configuration, etc.
Ok, I usually don't like to wander over to the F-150 side of these forums but I'm bored so I will participate:
4. I get better fuel economy on the 6.7 PSD than on the 5.7 3UR-FE, sure.
3. Yes. Just traded my Tundra for a 2011 F-350.
2. Only when you compare MSRP to MSRP. I got my Tundra (4x2, RCLB, 5.7L) for a real price of $20k (CAD) because they sit in the dealer lots and they want to move it. The auto industry wasn't doing that well in 2009. I got $18,500 on the dealer trade in. Refer to the last line in item #5 on the article. I needed something low cost in 2009. Now I've got what I really wanted in the first place.
1. Yeah, it's ugly, like a RAM. Inside and outside. But it was cheaper lol. I think Toyota runs on that concept - the Corolla doesn't sell because it's nice, it sells because it's cheap and boring. And people apparently like that. So they applied it everywhere.
The whole C-channel frame thing has been debated to the ground but after seeing both sides of this debate, it's a feature. That's why the Super Duties have one. Easier to mount stuff to the frame, easier to clean, flexes when loaded and springs back when unloaded.
Ford supports modification to the vehicle noted by upfitter switches and blunt cut wires under the dash that are fully documented (on the fleet/body builder site). Toyota apparently doesn't want you to do things like that.
Only thing is you open the hood of the F-350 and half the stickers (radiator, engine) say Mexico on them. Tundra parts pretty much all said USA or Canada, except for the wiring harnesses which were also Mexican. Not that it means anything or makes it an inferior product, just weird compared to older SDs and my '80s and '80s HD series.
Power adjustable pedals are not available on Tundra's, only a telescopic wheel is offered.
Originally Posted by efx4
The Toyota's C-Channel frame under the bed is just too weak to handle that kind of lateral movement.
What type of frame does a Super Duty have? C channel.
The Tundra frame is boxed up to the front U-joint, then two widths of C channel are used from there on.
F150 frame is fully boxed, as is the Nissan Titan.
Originally Posted by TRENT310
...you open the hood of the F-350 and half the stickers (radiator, engine) say Mexico on them.
AFAIK, Super Duty's are not made in Mexico...they were at one time, but not now.
Ford has had assembly and parts plants in Hermosillo Mexico since the late 1980's. The first vehicle assembled there was the 1989 Mercury Tracer.
US Gov't (federal law): The country of origin must be listed on all goods sold in the US. When parts customers noticed Hecho en Mexico on Ford parts packaging (this began circa 1990), they were not pleased.
Ford, GM, ChryCo (now owned by FIAT = "Fix it again Tony!") now have assembly and parts plants in China. Just wait till peeps see parts packaging with a Chinese label on it. I can guess what the reaction will be, but...
Most peeps are prolly unaware that most parts sold by chain autoparts stores and the repro parts for older Ford vehicles (prolly GM & ChryCo as well)...are made in China.
The first digit of the VIN...when decoded...gives the country of origin: 1 = USA, 2 = Canada, 3 & 5 = Mexico. Dunno about 4 or any numbers past 5.
The Fusion is assembled in Mexico, Tundra in San Antonio TX, F150 in Dearborn, Titan in Canton MS. Dunno about Rams & the GM "twins."
The 'North American' parts content is listed on the window sticker....this includes US & Canada, but AFAIK, not Mexico.