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Model # Part Number Cust Part # Engine(s) Application(s) Superceded/Obsolete
DB2829-4102 04102 1801359C92 6.9 Liter 1983 Ford F Truck E Van Obsolete
DB2829-4191 04191 1805384C92 6.9 Liter 1983 Navistar S Series Truck
DB2829-4237 04237 1803140C92 6.9 Liter 1983 Ford F Truck E Van (Alt. Comp.) Obsolete
DB2829-4244 04244 1805384C91 6.9 Liter 1983 Navistar S Series Truck (Alt.) - Field Service Made from DB2829-4191
DB2829-4307 04307 1805723C92 6.9 Liter 1983 Marine / Repower Obsolete
DB2829-4331 04331 1805813C91 6.9 Liter 1984-85 Marine / Repower Obsolete
DB2829-4332 04332 1805806C91 6.9 Liter 1984-85 Navistar S Series Truck (155 HP) Superseded by DB2829-4539
DB2829-4333 04333 1805808C91 6.9 Liter 1984 Ford F Truck & E Van (Alt. Comp.) Superseded by DB2829-4370
DB2829-4334 04334 1805807C91 6.9 Liter 1984 Ford F Truck & E Van Superseded by DB2829-4369
DB2829-4368 04368 1807551C91 6.9 Liter 1984-85 Navistar S Series Truck (165 HP) Obsolete
DB2829-4369 04369 1807560C91 6.9 Liter 1984-85 Ford F Truck E Van Superseded by DB2829-4746
DB2829-4370 04370 1807568C91 6.9 Liter 1984-85 Ford F Truck E Van (Alt. Comp.) Superseded by DB2829-4747
DB2829-4379 04379 1807629C91 6.9 Liter 1984 Navistar S Series Truck Cargostar (148 HP) Obsolete
DB2829-4383 04383 Field Service 6.9 Liter Marine / Repower (Alt. Comp.) 1983 Made from DB2829-4307
DB2829-4384 04384 Field Service 6.9 Liter 1984-85 Navistar S Series Truck (Alt. Comp.) Made from DB2829-4332 or 4368
DB2829-4385 04385 Field Service 6.9 Liter 1984-85 Marine / Repower (Alt. Comp.) Made from DB2829-4331
DB2829-4538 04538 1805813C92 6.9 Liter 1984-87 Marine / Repower
DB2829-4539 04539 1805806C92 6.9 Liter 1984-87 Navistar S Series Truck (155 HP) Supersedes DB2829-4332
DB2829-4540 04540 1807551C92 6.9 Liter 1984-87 Navistar S Series Truck (165 HP)
DB2829-4541 04541 1807560C92 6.9 Liter 1986-87 Ford F Truck & E Van Superseded by DB2829-4746
DB2829-4542 04542 1807568C92 6.9 Liter 1986-87 Ford F Truck & E Van (Alt. Comp.) Superseded by DB2829-4747
DB2829-4567 04567 1809422C91 6.9 Liter 1987 Navistar S Series Truck (155 HP) Superseded by DB2829-4539
DB2829-4568 04568 1809053C91 6.9 Liter 1987 Navistar S Series Truck (165 HP) Superseded by DB2829-4540
DB2829-4609 04609 Service Only 6.9 Liter 1984-87 Navistar S Series Truck (Alt.) Made from DB2829-4539 or 4540
DB2829-4623 04623 1811209C91 6.9 Liter 1986-87 Navistar S Series Truck (130 HP)
DB2831-4629 04629 1811303C91 7.3 Liter 1988 Navistar S Series Truck (130 HP) Superseded by DB2831-4816
DB2831-4630 04630 1809083C91 7.3 Liter 1988 Navistar S Series Truck (155 HP) Superseded by DB2831-4815
DB2831-4631 04631 1809096C91 7.3 Liter 1988 Navistar S Series Truck (170 HP) Superseded by DB2831-4814
DB2831-4632 04632 1809121C91 7.3 Liter 1988 Ford F Truck E Van Superseded by DB2831-4814
DB2831-4633 04633 1809045C91 7.3 Liter 1988 Ford F Truck E Van (Alt.) Superseded by DB2831-4813
DB2831-4703 04703 1809121C92 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Ford F Truck E Van Superseded by DB2831-4732
DB2831-4704 04704 1809045C92 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Ford F Truck E Van (Alt.) Superseded by DB2831-4733
DB2831-4714 04714 1813102C91 7.3 Liter 1989 Ford F Truck & E Van - Elect. Auto. Trans. Superseded by DB2-4808
DB2831-4715 04715 1813112C91 7.3 Liter 1989 Ford F Truck & E Van - Elect. Auto Trans. (Alt. Comp.) Superseded by DB2-4809
DB2831-4717 04717 1813251C91 7.3 Liter 1989 Ford F Truck & E Van (1.2 cSt) Superseded by DB2831-4810
DB2831-4718 04718 1813256C91 7.3 Liter 1989 Ford F Truck & E Van (1.2 cSt) (Alt. Comp.) Superseded by DB2831-4811
DB2831-4732 04732 1813250C91 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Ford F Truck & E Van Superseded by DB2831-4812
DB2831-4733 04733 1813255C91 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Ford F Truck & E Van (Alt.) Superseded by DB2831-4813
DB2831-4734 04734 1809096C92 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Navistar S Series Truck (170 HP) Superseded by DB2831-4814
DB2831-4735 04735 1809083C92 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Navistar S Series Truck (155 HP) Superseded by DB2831-4815
DB2831-4736 04736 1811303C92 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Navistar S Series Truck (130 HP) Superseded by DB2831-4816
DB2829-4746 04746 1813300C91 6.9 Liter 1984-87 Ford F Truck & E Van Supersedes DB2829-4541
DB2829-4747 04747 1813305C91 6.9 Liter 1984-87 Ford F Truck & E Van (Alt.) Supersedes DB2829-4542
DB2831-4808 04808 1813360C91 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Ford F Truck E Van - Elect. Auto. Trans. (185 HP) (Alt.) Supersedes DB2-4714
DB2831-4809 04809 1813365C91 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Ford F Truck E Van - Elect. Auto. Trans. (166 HP) (Alt.) Supersedes DB2-4715
DB2831-4810 04810 1813251C92 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Ford F Truck E Van (1.2 cSt) Supersedes DB2831-4717
DB2831-4811 04811 1813265C92 7.3 Liter 1990-91 Ford F Truck E Van -Auto. Trans. (185 HP)(1.2cSt) Supersedes DB2831-4718
DB2831-4812 04812 1813370C91 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Ford F Truck E Van Supersedes DB2831-4732
DB2831-4813 04813 1813375C91 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Ford F Truck E Van (Alt.) Supersedes DB2831-4733
DB2831-4814 04814 1809096C93 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Navistar S Series Truck (170 HP) Supersedes DB2831-4734
DB2831-4815 04815 1809083C93 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Navistar S Series Truck (155 HP) Supersedes DB2831-4835
DB2831-4816 04816 1811303C93 7.3 Liter 1988-89 Navistar S Series Truck (130 HP) Supersedes DB2831-4836
DB2831-4817 04817 1813102C92 7.3 Liter 1990-92 Ford F Truck E Van - Elect. Auto. Trans.
DB2831-4818 04818 1813112C92 7.3 Liter 1990-92 Ford F Truck E Van - Elect. Auto. Trans. (Alt.)
DB2831-4819 04819 1813450C91 7.3 Liter 1990-92 Ford F Truck E Van (1.2 cSt)
DB2831-4820 04820 1813455C91 7.3 Liter 1990-92 Ford F Truck E Van (Alt.) (1.2 cSt.)
DB2831-4821 04821 1813385C91 7.3 Liter 1990-92 Ford F Truck E Van
DB2831-4822 04822 1813390C91 7.3 Liter 1990-92 Ford F Truck E Van (Alt.)
DB2831-4823 04823 1813460C92 7.3 Liter 1990-92 Navistar S Series Truck (170 HP)
DB2831-4824 04824 1813465C91 7.3 Liter 1990-92 Navistar S Series Truck (155 HP)
DB2831-4824 04824 1813465C92 7.3 Liter 1990-92 Navistar S Series Truck (155 HP)
DB2831-4825 04825 1813470C91 7.3 Liter 1990-92 Navistar S Series Truck (130 HP)
DB2831-4826 04826 1813265C92 7.3 Liter 1990-91 Ford F Truck E Van -Elect. Auto. Trans. (185 HP -1.2cSt)
DB2831-4827 04827 1813270C92 7.3 Liter 1990-92 Ford F Truck E Van -Elect. Auto. Trans. (Alt.) (1.2 cSt)
DB2831-5009 05009 1816625C91 7.3 Liter NATO/Runway Sweeper (155 HP)
DB2831-5013 05013 1816521C91 7.3 Liter 1992-1/2 Ford F Truck - Auto Trans. (185 HP)
DB2831-5027 05027 1816522C91 7.3 Liter 1992-1/2 Ford F Truck - Auto Trans. (170 HP)
DB2831-5028 05028 1816523C91 7.3 Liter 1992-1/2 Ford F Truck - Man Trans. (185 HP)
DB2831-5029 05029 1816524C91 7.3 Liter 1992-1/2 Ford F Truck - Man Trans. (166 HP)
DB2831-5030 05030 1813460C93 7.3 Liter 1992-1/2 Navistar S Series Truck (170 HP)
DB2831-5031 05031 1813465C93 7.3 Liter 1992-1/2 Navistar S Series Truck (155 HP)
DB2831-5032 05032 1816625C92 7.3 Liter 1992-1/2 NATO/Runway Sweeper (155 HP)
DB2831-5069 05069 1816340C91 7.3 Liter 1993-94 Ford F Truck - (Turbo) Auto Trans. (190 HP)
DB2831-5070 05070 1816350C91 7.3 Liter 1993-94 Ford F Truck - (Turbo) Man Trans. (190 HP)
DB2831-5071 05071 1819636C91 7.3 Liter 1992-1/2 Navistar S Series Truck (170 HP)(1.2 cSt) Obsolete
DB2831-5085 05085 1819675C91 7.3 Liter 1992-1/2 UPS Truck (110 HP) Obsolete
DB2831-5090 05090 1819681C91 7.3 Liter Marine (260 BHP) Obsolete
DB2831-5163 05163 1821415C91 7.3 Liter Ford Pickup (Auto.) (185 HP)
DB2831-4825 04825 1813470C92 7.3L 1990-1991 "S" Series Truck - 130HP

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(iv no clue if they sell decent reman ip's or not.not promoting nor slamming 'em.just sharing where i grabbed the info.buy wherever you like online or locally.i am not in idi sales.)


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how to change the pump the correct way with pics.
http://www.oilburners.net/wiki/tiki-...hp?articleId=7
if the above link doesn't work.try here.you may need to register though,im not sure since i am a member there too:
http://oilburners.net/brian/idi/Fuel...nServicing.htm

too late lol? then you need to fix your mistake before proceeding:
if you followed the article above,and you know the valve timing has never been messed with,then you won't need this link.skip.
HOWEVER! do you KNOW the previous owner didn't incorrectly remove,and install an IP before you bought it? you may want to make sure she's not a tooth or two off for good measure.this particular timing must NEVER be altered.period.read below:
"Talk about Timing!!"

akamacgyver also has great info to help you insure the valves are set to open/close at the correct time as well.be it that you made the mistake of incorrectly removing an ip,or to just insure a previous owner hasn't messed it up in the past:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/11...pump-gear.html

that is very important to make sure of, on an unknown idi engine,because if she's just a tooth or two off,she'll still run but power will suffer greatly and nothing you could do would restore her besides making sure everything is lined up properly.
many,many people have incorrectly removed ip's on these engines.never assume it hasn't been done at one time on your used truck.



how to adjust the fuel settings with pics:
remember these steps first:
a)pyrometer gauge.
b)more air in and out of engine.
d)more air in and out of engine.
e)more air in and out of engine.
f)more air in and out of engine.
what happened to c)? oh yeah: more air in and out of engine.
g)then you can add more fuel lastly.
she can only burn so much oil at a time.add too much,and you'll roll coal and have a mushy pedal,that i kid you not,will gain power when you let up slightly off the skinny.i had a rebuilt ip do this.i gained power on my n/a by turning the fuel down to clear the smoke.try it.you'll see.you'll be backing her down to make her feel nice and crisp and responsive if you over fuel too.
proceed with caution! too much fuel could cost you an engine!
remember,when it comes to diesels,unlike gas engines,you cannot harm them by under fueling.a diesel set up running lean is a diesel simply lacking power.easily corrected by turning the fuel up after some test runs.over fueling however leads to melting pistons!
(use extreme caution if you think rolling coal is cool! fair warning!)
"Fuel injection pump adjustment article"

additional fuel delivery info:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Sponaugle View Post
The torque screw was only on the DB2-50XX IP's, 1992.5 and later trucks.
The engines should also run a serpentine belt.

The torque screw limits the amount of fuel delivered to the engine at low RPM's to help clean up the exhaust.
It does nothing to change the max fuel delivered, only the low RPM fuel delivery.

On a non turbo engine, most likely the only result from adjusting it will be increased smoke and higher EGT's.
On a turbo engine, it can help with low RPM turbo spooling and power.

Using both the max fuel screw and the torque screw together on a turbo engine will help with power across the RPM band.

Set the max fuel screw so the engine produces a light black haze at high RPM, in is more fuel.

Once you have that set, you can adjust the torque screw so you have the same light haze at lower RPM's.
On the torque screw out delivers more fuel at lower RPM, in decreases the fuel delivery at low RPM.

As with any IP adjustment, you should have a pyrometer installed before you adjust the fuel, high EGT's can damage the pistons.

Also the torque screw is set at about a 45 degree angle in relation to the IP drive shaft on the rear of the IP.

There is another screw that may have a cap on it, or a seal wire that is parallel with the IP drive shaft.
That screw holds internal IP parts in place and should not be adjusted.
IP damage would be the result.


E40D OWNERS IMPORTANT!
E40D owners (if you have the auto trans with an overdrive gear behind your diesel,you have this Electronic 4 speed OD trans) read and apply this before adjusting your timing.
because if you adjust the timing by ear/feel,this will greatly help you,or leave you helplessly lost!plus the new found power with a failing or incorrectly set TPS,could be the death of your trans!!do NOT skip!!!
besides that,the performance increase,depending on the state of your TPS,could surprise you by making your truck feel greatly more powerful.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/11...ions-only.html



adjustable,ignition/dynamic timing:
the IDI is a mechanical engine.there is no computer to adjust the timing for when the fuel ignites.you, or a diesel mechanic must set this periodically. whenever the ip and or injectors are changed,and once every 30ish thousand miles max is a good idea.as the ip and injectors ware,the timing slightly retards,reducing performance and economy over time.
its not really ignition timing per say of course,as you can't move a distributor to change when a spark occurs.what your doing is adjusting when fuel from the ip enters.
tip;
another issue,though a bit more rare,is that sometimes you may find a used truck where a previous owner had to change a hard ip/fuel injection line.if they used one from a 6.9l on a 7.3l or visa versa then that cylinder will never fire correctly.
they are slightly different length lines.so make 100% sure you either running a full 6.9 or a full 7.3l set.otherwise you'll never have the full potential from your engine.this is not all that uncommon since a lot of idi trucks and owners simply needed to get the truck running.

trying to match the timing lines between your old ip and the new ip will not work.if it does get you close,then it was just by chance.
how to set the timing of the pump somewhere in the ballpark without a meter (not recommended.caution is strongly advised.) to play it safe,simply line up the two marks and take the truck to a diesel mechanic with the required meter.these are getting hard to find these days.most modern diesel tech's will look at you funny when asked.so be prepared to make lots of phone calls.alternatively search the idi section for timing meters and alternative solutions such as the ferret adapter with timing light w/ advance to find more info,so you can properly time your engine yourself.
read and follow how to time your engine by the sound of it's "rattle" and test drives.
WARNING! serious,perhaps full engine failure CAN result! (don't let me scare ya too bad. it's not so scary lol.) so caution is strongly advised!!!!
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/39...ml#post9927448

FYI:
a member of oilburners.net,goes by the user name "icanfixall" rents timing meters at affordable rates.
i know,the forum rules.we're not supposed to plug like this.but what can ya do? us IDI guys have a hard time finding local diesel mechanics with these meters,they're expensive to buy even used.plus sharing that info isn't going to take away from this forums site sponsors.so this should slide hopefully.
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Good post!! I got my old IP and lines out today, my new IP and injectors will be here tuesday or wednesday, hopefully I'll get lucky and they'll get here tomorrow! FORDF250 has been a huge help to me so far and I'm sure I'll be bugging him some more!
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That is a really nice write up on replacement stuff i must say. I also cant believe there were so many variations in the same two engines. Nice work posting all that, always good to have more info!!
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Now we can use whichever IP we want or do we have to have the IP for our model year and HP?
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They all work, just stay away from the high alt pumps
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why stay away from the high alt pumps?
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They are tuned lower so it doesnt deliver so much fuel in areas where the air is thin, mine is rated at 170hp, the option on the valve cover for the high atitude is 158. I'm not sure if the high alt pumps can be tuned to reg specs.
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Iirc i asked dave about this and he was saying that theyre the same, only the max fuel screw and the timing were backed off on the HA models. From what i understand, the only different pumps were on the 93+ turbo vehicles with the torque screw. But with all the differences on the list, its really hard to say what ford did.
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I got one of those later uhaul pumps with the torque screw for truck in my sig because I figured why not have it in case down the line?

My truck as is with their new injectors smokes black when empty from 1/2 throttle to full throttle. Then we loaded the trailer and it got a bit worse when on it. Then it even got worse going up a hill when things started to heat up.

I messed with that torque screw because I had seen that video and a mention of the turbo pumps being turned out and even with na? My pump had a loose set screw when I got it, but I turned it so it was about even and it seemed to take power away from the truck at the lower half of th pedal, but not really effect the smoke. It really wasn't anything to mention in the same throttle range, it was the upper half that has me really worried.

I was thinking of putting that torque screw right back where it was because it didn't effect our pinned throttle smoking issue.

I am forced to try and turn that main fuel screw down I guess?


And I have a cowl intake but I think I am also forced to change the original exhaust to try and help the poor truck.
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I got one of those later uhaul pumps with the torque screw for truck in my sig because I figured why not have it in case down the line?

My truck as is with their new injectors smokes black when empty from 1/2 throttle to full throttle. Then we loaded the trailer and it got a bit worse when on it. Then it even got worse going up a hill when things started to heat up.

I messed with that torque screw because I had seen that video and a mention of the turbo pumps being turned out and even with na? My pump had a loose set screw when I got it, but I turned it so it was about even and it seemed to take power away from the truck at the lower half of th pedal, but not really effect the smoke. It really wasn't anything to mention in the same throttle range, it was the upper half that has me really worried.

I was thinking of putting that torque screw right back where it was because it didn't effect our pinned throttle smoking issue.

I am forced to try and turn that main fuel screw down I guess?


And I have a cowl intake but I think I am also forced to change the original exhaust to try and help the poor truck.
yes,for sure you want to leave the torque screw alone.that's really for turbo applications,and shouldn't be played with at all without a pryo,at least until you turn the main fuel supply down.
they put them on the N/A pumps for some reason,so i suppose it could help,but you should be careful with it.
sounds like you might want to try 2 flats down on the main fuel.
i have the 7.3l with a large custom free flowing exhaust,and cowl induction with K&N filter.i still needed one flat down on the U-Haul pump,so be careful.
remember too lean and you just lose power,too rich you could lose an engine.with no pyro,you can guess which way i "lean" towards.
besides,all i lost was smoke and a mushy peddle at the bottom,no power lose at all,cus i didn't haven the air to go along with that extra fuel,so it was just going out the pipe unburt is all.smoke doesn't equal power.start turning it down.you'll see exactly the same thing.you'll also notice lower engine coolant temps.
as the ip's ware over the years,they need to be turned up because they don't put out the fuel they used too.this is why you hear good results from members who claim to gain power when they turned up their pumps.results will vary with every truck because of so many variables.the amount of flats don't mean anything compared to others.so you must fine tune your ip to your truck.
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I will definately try and tune my pump better but in case I wasn't clear on my pump, if I am reading the info and video correctly, that torque screw was turned out. So after finding this info about the threads being even with the jam nut for na motors, that is why I turned it in and what resulted was what I call lack of power on the bottom end compared to even my old pump/injectors.
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