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Old 06-23-2011, 10:22 AM
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I live in South Africa.
We recently imported a brand new 6.7l F-250.
In S.A. the lowest sulphur grading in diesel available is 50ppm.
What will the implications be of using this in our truck and is there something we can do to minimize possible engine damage?
 
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The news may not be good. Sorry. If the truck you imported was built for a country where ULSD is required, you will do damage to it. Below are the sections from the Ford Diesel supplements for both ULSD and higher level sulfur content engines.

FUEL REQUIREMENTS - CHOOSING THE RIGHT FUEL: VEHICLES
OPERATED WHERE ULTRA LOW SULFUR DIESEL FUEL IS
REQUIRED (UNITED STATES/CANADA/PUERTO RICO/U.S. VIRGIN
ISLANDS AND OTHER LOCALES)

Use only Ultra Low Sulfur (15 ppm Sulfur Maximum) number 1-D
or 2-D diesel fuel (also known as ULSD) in your 6.7L diesel
engine. The engine and exhaust system were designed to only use this
fuel. Look for the ULTRA-LOW SULFUR HIGHWAY DIESEL FUEL
(15 ppm Sulfur Maximum) label on fuel pumps when purchasing your
fuel.

Using low sulfur diesel fuel (16-500 ppm) or high sulfur diesel
fuel (greater than 500 ppm) in a diesel engine designed to use
only Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel fuel will cause certain emission
components to malfunction which may also cause the service
engine soon light to illuminate indicating an emissionsrelated
concern.

Diesel fuel is adjusted seasonally for cold temperature. For best results
at temperatures below 20°F (-7°C), it is recommended to use a diesel
fuel which has been seasonally adjusted for the ambient conditions. See
Cold weather operation in the Driving chapter of this supplement.

FUEL REQUIREMENTS - CHOOSING THE RIGHT FUEL: VEHICLES OPERATED WHERE ULTRA LOW SULFUR DIESEL FUEL IS NOT REQUIRED
For the engine to operate reliably on low sulfur or high sulfur diesel fuel,
the engine must be a high sulfur configured engine or a ULSD
fuel-configured engine that has been retrofitted for high sulfur diesel fuel
use.

Use only a diesel engine that has been configured for use with
high sulfur diesel fuel in markets with diesel fuel that has sulfur
content greater than 15 ppm. Using low sulfur diesel fuel (16–500
ppm) or high sulfur diesel fuel (greater than 500 ppm) in a diesel
engine designed to use only Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel fuel may
result in damage to engine emission control devices and the
aftertreatment system, potentially rendering the vehicle
inoperable. Engine damage from using the improper type of fuel
is not covered under your warranty.

Vehicles with engines configured for use with high sulfur diesel fuel will
only be made available for sale in countries where ULSD fuel is generally
not available or mandated by the government. Vehicles originally sold in
a ULSD fuel market that are subsequently exported to non-ULSD fuel
markets will need to be retrofitted (at the customer’s expense) in order
to be reliably operated on non-ULSD fuel.
 
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Thank you for the response. It is highly appreciated.

Quoted: "Vehicles originally sold in
a ULSD fuel market that are subsequently exported to non-ULSD fuel
markets will need to be retrofitted (at the customer’s expense) in order
to be reliably operated on non-ULSD fuel."

What type of retrofit are we looking at? A different fuel management system? Different lubricant?
 
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Here is some more information on the subject per the 2011 SD order form which can be found via this link:

ProFleetSales - 2011 SUPER DUTY® PICK-UP (F-250 / F-350 / F-450)

Page 21

High Sulfur Diesel Fuel Usage
Vehicles for intended usage with diesel fuel sulfur content
greater than 15ppm require Euro II (>500ppm sulfur) or
Euro III (<500ppm sulfur) packages to avoid engine
functionality issues.
Packages are available through Export Order Guide with
the appropriate US EPA exemption or verifiable export
usage.
NOTE: Post build modification kits are not available.
Vehicles must be ordered correctly for the market that they
are to be sold and operated in.

NOTE: JP8 fuel is NOT supported with these package
You may need to look into aftermarket support.
 
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I suggest a Spartan tuner and DPF delete pipe
 
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I have the exact opposite question, I have a 2015 Ford ranger diesel 4x4, i bought it in Baja, Mexico and commute to California often. My truck does not require ULSD since built in South America.
Hers the question, can i run ULSD in the truck or will I screw something up ??? thanks
 
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rdbaja - You can use ULSD, even the sticker on the pump says it is OK too. Plenty of people around me here run ULSD in their 7.3L and 6.0L Ford Diesel that were made prior to ULSD being released. You might want to consider a fuel additives for extra lubricity. Some people say they are snake oil, others swear by them.

BTW - I am jealous that you have a diesel ranger... What kind of highway mileage do you get with it, if you mind me asking?

For the OP - If you have a DPF and SCR, you are going to have to use an aftermarket company to get rid of the EGR, DPF, and SCR system. Requires a delete plate, replacement delete pipe, and a programmer. I don't see a way around it with 50 PPM fuel. Ford used to support retro-fitting if the truck was ordered for one market and then later shipped into another, but probably because of our EPA they don't anymore.
 
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You should see this on most pumps:


 
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No worries, I get around 21.0 mpg in town up to 32 on hwy.............I have heard that the ULSD can shrink seals and loosen debris in standard LSD engines.....thanks for the input
 
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You are probably thinking of BioDiesel- which can do both of those... However, the seals part is on much older diesel that were built prior to 'viton' being used for rubber hoses and gaskets.

Thanks or the MPG update. Seems very worth it to have a diesel ranger over the gas counterparts.
 
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super duty

I know the Mexico trucks don't have a DPF or a DEF and can run normal Diesel.
 
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Originally Posted by donovan
I know the Mexico trucks don't have a DPF or a DEF and can run normal Diesel.
Yep, because those trucks were made for the Mexican market...
 
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Originally Posted by rdbaja
No worries, I get around 21.0 mpg in town up to 32 on hwy.............I have heard that the ULSD can shrink seals and loosen debris in standard LSD engines.....thanks for the input
ULSD has been the only fuel available since I bought my '96 7.3 about 10 years ago, and is all I have run, even though it was designed for LSD. I also never run any additives, and the only fuel-related repair I've had to make is replacing the fuel bowl because all the seals were shot in it. I'm even still on the original pump at 200K! You should be fine running ULSD in your Ranger once in awhile, but I'd probably fill up as often as possible in Mexico before heading into CA.

Originally Posted by donovan
I know the Mexico trucks don't have a DPF or a DEF and can run normal Diesel.
Maybe I should have ordered and picked up my new truck in Mexico to get a free delete package that is covered under warranty!

So what do guys with new 6.7s do for fuel when they go into Mexico from the US? Is ULSD available at all down there? At some time I'd like to take a trip down there, but no ULSD availability would mean I wouldn't get very far.
 
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My personal opinion, I won't be going to Mexico with my 6.7 without it being deleted... I have no plans to delete and therefore, no plan to drive my truck to Mexico. Even if someone verified that there are places you could potentially get it.... I wouldn't trust it. Just my .02.

You might be able to figure out a way to get a vehicle from Mexico into the US, but it won't be able to be legally registered here. Of course as long as your Mexico warranty was transferable to the US you might be OK. Remembering that you will have to keep Mexican plates on it. In reality, there are all kinds of rules and laws to prevent you from doing that though.
 
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