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Old 02-15-2014, 01:02 AM
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I'm having issues getting my pulley back into place.. Any tips ?? Its quite aggravating.



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Ok I don't blame a couple of you newbies for having me write this up and add pics b/c the Haynes manual and PSP tool directing F***ing suck!

That being said remember to buy ATF Type F because that is what the OEM style uses for fluid. NOT power steering fluid. I know throws me for a loop to but that is probably the reason some of you are getting whining pumps and brown fluid... Pump seeps and someone adds power steering fluid when your not supposed to.'

Anyway, there is a Saginaw Pump that I would recommend as a replacement instead of the OEM style but I am replacing a OEM style in the pics. The saginaw style is a direct replacement and is the same steps except adding a new/different high pressure line. The benefits others have seen with the saginaw are: no leaks and no pump whinning. I also explain/show how to flush your pump and give you the part numbers for a rebuild kit that runs $10-$12 if you can't afford a new PSP. I might do a "how to" thread on rebuilding a PSP if there is enough interest.

If interesed in the Saginaw Pump: http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/60...ering-fix.html
Saginaw Pump: 20-6244
Pressure Line: Get one from a 79 F250
If you don't know if a saginaw/Cardone PSP will fit your truck or car check here: http://www.mypartsgarage.com/cardone...tured-136.html

1.) pull the crap off that is in the way: air intake, hoses, top radiator fan guard. make sure to hook your coolant reservoir hose back up to the radiator after pulling the top fan guard (#3 in pic) or it will drip the whole time your working on the PSP.
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2.) make a drip pan to catch the PSP's fluid when you unhook the lines. Here's mine... (you'll see it being used in step #4)
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3.) Remove the PSP's Pulley: you'll need the pulley removal tool. Picture the pulley on the truck (i'm just showing the tool assembly which is easier with the pulley off)
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To remove hold the box end wrench and tighten bolt with socket until the pulley pops off. You'll need to exert some grunt on this part...
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Kinda looks like this on the truck... you can remove the coolant hose if you want but i worked around it in order to save myself another fluid mess.
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4.) Disconnect Hoses: Take off low pressure and high pressure hoses. I used a 15/16in wrench for the high pressure and a slotted screw driver for the hose clamp on the low pressure line. Also look in the background of the picture; you'll see the pan from step 2 and also the PSP fluid is brown due to someone putting powersteering fluid in when the pump was already (and correctly) filled with ATF type F (IE red+lite brown=drk brwn). I am sure some of you are seeing this in your own trucks and should be doing a power steering flush. Doing a flush and adding some Barrs or Lucas will help stop pump whinning but if you have a leak I would replace or rebuild it (FYI rebuild kit: GATES Part #350450).
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5.) Swap Pumps: unbolt the old and bolt in the new one!
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Now when you realize that the old line doesn't connect to the new pump.. don't sweat it... I did it this way for a reason...
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The reason was to show you that you need to take the shorter fitting off and not the 15/16in one that I did. Make sure to replace that O-ring the arrow points to. there should be a new one in the PSP box. You'll notice this is the new pump and i cleaned the PSP bracket really well so if it leaks I'll know where the leak is coming from. Clean the hoses and steering box too. It will help if you have a leak later...
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6.)Hook Up High pressire line only: Ok all is well again. Hook up the high pressure line and notice that the low pressure is running to a 2L bottle to help flush old crap out...
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7.) Put the pulley back on: use the other tool in the kit and basically revers the process to push the pulley back on. (picture is out of truck only to show assembly- you will have to do this in the truck!) A quick not is that you may have to run the assembly tools "push plate" on and off the install bolt to straighten the threads (this is b/c some previous jackarse didn't screw the bolt into the pump all the way) DON'T be the J.A. and make sure you get the bolt in all the way before you start tightening the push plate to install the pulley. You'll need to look at the toll and make sure the install bolt isn't stripped when you pick the tool up! Also you may have to back off the push plate and tighten the bolt into the pump again if you start to loosen it. Push pulley back on until it matches the other pulley's alignment.
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8.) Put the belt back on. Honestly if you need a pic of this...?!?!? You might need to reinstall the belt in order to hold the pulley still so you can remove the pulley install bolt and push plate.

9.) flush the system: Put the low pressure line in a 2L bottle and start your truck this will activate the pump immediatly so turn the wheel ASAP after start up (front wheels off ground). This will flush all the old crap out of the steering box and PSP. You may need 2-3 qts of ATF Type F to get the flush and fill done.
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10.) Hook low pressure line back up: after hooking the low pressure line back up you'll need to get the air out. refill the PSP and start your truck again turning the steering wheel all the way to the left and right a couple times checking your fluid level inbetween. make sure you are topped off with ATF in the pump to the COLD LINE!!!! this is important because if you over fill you can blow the lid off the pump or shoot it all over the under side of your hood and generally make a huge mess!

11.) Go Drink a beer if you haven't been doing so the whole time b/c your done as long as you like the results upon your test drive.
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Do you have the special tool along with the instructions? The pulley can be quite hard to pull on. What trouble are you having?
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Do you have the special tool along with the instructions? The pulley can be quite hard to pull on. What trouble are you having?
I do have the special tool, in fact i was able to take it off and the pump i changed the pump (power steering) and now im trying to get the pulley back on but it wont go back into place, im having trouble with it..
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I assume you are using the tool to push the pulley back on? Does it just go hard? Can't get the pulley started on? or what?
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I assume you are using the tool to push the pulley back on? Does it just go hard? Can't get the pulley started on? or what?
im having difficulty getting it started.
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im having difficulty getting it started.
Maybe take a file and slightly taper the edge of the pump shaft and /or slightly taper the inside edge of the pulley.

Also lubricate between the surfaces so the pulley will pull on easier once you get it started. It will probably pull on hard after you get it started.
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Maybe take a file and slightly taper the edge of the pump shaft and /or slightly taper the inside edge of the pulley.

Also lubricate between the surfaces so the pulley will pull on easier once you get it started. It will probably pull on hard after you get it started.
Honestly thats a great idea. Ill do that tomorrow when the sun comes up thanks for the help!! If it works ill reply on the success if not ill ask for more tips depending on how it goes.
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Saginaw steering pumps did some with different shaft diameters (3/4" & 5/8" IIRC)
It is a press fit so expect it to be tight, but not 1/8" tight.
You do have a pump with the right shaft?
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Honestly thats a great idea. Ill do that tomorrow when the sun comes up thanks for the help!! If it works ill reply on the success if not ill ask for more tips depending on how it goes.
Okay, pulley is on.. Is it suppose to go all the way down the pump? Or is there suppose to be a little room in between? (about a half inch)
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Okay, pulley is on.. Is it suppose to go all the way down the pump? Or is there suppose to be a little room in between? (about a half inch)
Is it suppose to look like picture 7? but the gap closed a little more? (to better sum it up)
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I would say get it so it lines up with the other pulleys as best as you can eyeball it, as long as it isn't on too far to rub on anything on the pump.
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Fluid for Power Steering Pump Confusion

I know this is an older thread but I still can not find a definative answer to the question of what fluid to use in my 1989 F250 351W. I own a copy of the certified Ford Workshop Manual for my truck in it they state to use AFT Type F for the power steering fluid.

I am about to put on this Saginaw PSP:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ag...rd/model/f-250

AGR states to use Royal Purple Power Steering Fluid.

My question is which do I use as I am still using the original steering box and I am concerned the two fluid types are uncompatable.
Any thoughts?
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Would regular power steering fluid leak? Mine is leaking and about to replace but if its just fluid then I can just flush it.
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Thanks

Thanks a million for the write up and pics. I started to have an even more annoying bag of cats sounds last night and NO POWER this morning. Woke up the wife to get to work. I now have a project for tomorrow, or if I can just put fluid in to get by until the weekend, then I will do it then.
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I know this is an older thread but I still can not find a definative answer to the question of what fluid to use in my 1989 F250 351W. I own a copy of the certified Ford Workshop Manual for my truck in it they state to use AFT Type F for the power steering fluid.

I am about to put on this Saginaw PSP:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ag...rd/model/f-250

AGR states to use Royal Purple Power Steering Fluid.

My question is which do I use as I am still using the original steering box and I am concerned the two fluid types are uncompatable.
Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance,
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To anyone reading this in the future... The reason for different fluids being used is due to the addition of friction modifiers and weight of oil. The steering box will be affected less by the lubricant that you put in it less than the pump. That being said, use the fluid recommended by the pump manufacturer that you are running on your truck. If you run the AGR pump then use the fluid that they recommend.

Also, mixing a little ATF with a little RP power steering fluid is not a big deal. You're mixing lubricants, not Chlorine and Amonia that will result in a chemical gas that will kill you! LOL... I believe I mentioned earlier in the thread, how to pump/flush the old fluid out. I would probably buy an extra qt or two of the fluid recommended for your new pump. Then use the new fluid to flush the old fluid out through the gear box/hose. Make sure to top off several times in the pump to ensure most of the old fluid is out.

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Would regular power steering fluid leak? Mine is leaking and about to replace but if its just fluid then I can just flush it.
No probably not. However the OEM pumps were designed to work best with ATF which means regular PSF may cause other problems like increased whining sound during operation and possibly more wear and tear on the internals. ATF is one of the best lubricants out there and also has a high detergency property just like most synthetic oils (ie: cleans and keeps clean metal parts).

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Thanks a million for the write up and pics. I started to have an even more annoying bag of cats sounds last night and NO POWER this morning. Woke up the wife to get to work. I now have a project for tomorrow, or if I can just put fluid in to get by until the weekend, then I will do it then.
I would be interested to see/hear if Mercon-V would helps the power steering whine. All Merc-V's that I have seen are semi-synthetic or full synthetic. Better lube = less whine maybe?
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