Anyone got torque curve graphs for 300 vs. 351?
#32
And if you like revving the heads off your 351 to maintain that greater torque, go right ahead... I'll get just a little less torque and stop at half the gas stations... at 2 grand the difference in negligible and the 300 does it with two FEWER cylinders. I'll re-gear or run a ZF and have enough torque to yank a house off its foundation and still have enough fuel to carry the rubble to the dump.
#33
And if you like revving the heads off your 351 to maintain that greater torque, go right ahead... I'll get just a little less torque and stop at half the gas stations... at 2 grand the difference in negligible and the 300 does it with two FEWER cylinders. I'll re-gear or run a ZF and have enough torque to yank a house off its foundation and still have enough fuel to carry the rubble to the dump.
#34
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And if you like revving the heads off your 351 to maintain that greater torque, go right ahead... I'll get just a little less torque and stop at half the gas stations... at 2 grand the difference in negligible and the 300 does it with two FEWER cylinders. I'll re-gear or run a ZF and have enough torque to yank a house off its foundation and still have enough fuel to carry the rubble to the dump.
"Revving the heads off your 351...." Think the heads will pop off at 2800 rpm?
The 300 is just fine, but it doesn't outpower a 351w. If you read the OP's post he's looking for MORE lowend. Best I can figure at any given RPM the 351 is right close if not more in MOST cases, and add as little as 200 rpm and it beats the six.
#38
In the end I realized it's just a gearing issue anyways. When I have it offroad in 4-lo, it's scary how much torque goes to the wheels.. so obviously, lower gearing would give me what I'm looking for.
Edit: I'm still sorta wanting a 300 though. I've decided I'm going to try and keep my motor running for a while longer (cheating soon-to-be EX takes all my money!) when the time comes I might seriously consider a built 300. I just feel like the 351w isn't a truck motor, it just has that feeling behind it. It's a pain to work on, even worse than the wide 400 in my 78', I can't get to parts I need to when its time to work on them.. things like the rear main and the oil-pan seal are such large jobs that it's something I only wanna do when I pull the motor. Then wanting to refurbish my heads, again, too much of a job on the 351w.. I don't care how well it runs, there wont be a day that goes by I don't pop my hood for something and the 351w is just too much of a pain.
It just doesn't match my driving style or how I expect a truck to feel when I hit the gas if that makes any sense...
Edit: I'm still sorta wanting a 300 though. I've decided I'm going to try and keep my motor running for a while longer (cheating soon-to-be EX takes all my money!) when the time comes I might seriously consider a built 300. I just feel like the 351w isn't a truck motor, it just has that feeling behind it. It's a pain to work on, even worse than the wide 400 in my 78', I can't get to parts I need to when its time to work on them.. things like the rear main and the oil-pan seal are such large jobs that it's something I only wanna do when I pull the motor. Then wanting to refurbish my heads, again, too much of a job on the 351w.. I don't care how well it runs, there wont be a day that goes by I don't pop my hood for something and the 351w is just too much of a pain.
It just doesn't match my driving style or how I expect a truck to feel when I hit the gas if that makes any sense...
#39
#40
In the end I realized it's just a gearing issue anyways. When I have it offroad in 4-lo, it's scary how much torque goes to the wheels.. so obviously, lower gearing would give me what I'm looking for.
Edit: I'm still sorta wanting a 300 though. I've decided I'm going to try and keep my motor running for a while longer (cheating soon-to-be EX takes all my money!) when the time comes I might seriously consider a built 300. I just feel like the 351w isn't a truck motor, it just has that feeling behind it. It's a pain to work on, even worse than the wide 400 in my 78', I can't get to parts I need to when its time to work on them.. things like the rear main and the oil-pan seal are such large jobs that it's something I only wanna do when I pull the motor. Then wanting to refurbish my heads, again, too much of a job on the 351w.. I don't care how well it runs, there wont be a day that goes by I don't pop my hood for something and the 351w is just too much of a pain.
It just doesn't match my driving style or how I expect a truck to feel when I hit the gas if that makes any sense...
Edit: I'm still sorta wanting a 300 though. I've decided I'm going to try and keep my motor running for a while longer (cheating soon-to-be EX takes all my money!) when the time comes I might seriously consider a built 300. I just feel like the 351w isn't a truck motor, it just has that feeling behind it. It's a pain to work on, even worse than the wide 400 in my 78', I can't get to parts I need to when its time to work on them.. things like the rear main and the oil-pan seal are such large jobs that it's something I only wanna do when I pull the motor. Then wanting to refurbish my heads, again, too much of a job on the 351w.. I don't care how well it runs, there wont be a day that goes by I don't pop my hood for something and the 351w is just too much of a pain.
It just doesn't match my driving style or how I expect a truck to feel when I hit the gas if that makes any sense...
#41
A guy I wheeled with for a while here had two transfer cases in his Toyota. Thing has a tiny 4-cylinder on propane and had more than enough torque to pull itself around, fully caged with 44'' crawler tires up revines and up hills and everything else, fully locked all four wheels. I can't imagine the size axles he had.. I doubt the Bronco had as much torque as he did at the wheels and with an engine far less than half the size with a huge weight disadvantage.
#42
I should just do what this guy did:
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i'd like that center console anyways, I hate the 1990s interior with a passion.
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i'd like that center console anyways, I hate the 1990s interior with a passion.
#43
Go back and read the links, especially the 1990 Ford brochure.
"Revving the heads off your 351...." Think the heads will pop off at 2800 rpm?
The 300 is just fine, but it doesn't outpower a 351w. If you read the OP's post he's looking for MORE lowend. Best I can figure at any given RPM the 351 is right close if not more in MOST cases, and add as little as 200 rpm and it beats the six.
"Revving the heads off your 351...." Think the heads will pop off at 2800 rpm?
The 300 is just fine, but it doesn't outpower a 351w. If you read the OP's post he's looking for MORE lowend. Best I can figure at any given RPM the 351 is right close if not more in MOST cases, and add as little as 200 rpm and it beats the six.
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Yeah that's just a little bit overstated and not terribly accurate either. High teens fuel milage is entirely possible with a 351, and there are lots of 351's out there with 300k or more on the clock so I don't see reliability being an issue either. Then factor in how cheap and easy(cam and headers) it is to get the kind of power(close to 400tq and 300hp) that a 300 couldn't approach with 3 times as much money, and it's no contest.