Battle of the Engines
#31
as a guy who likes everything powerful, and a guy who is in the works to get rid of his 302, i vote to get rid of it. a 302 w/ the 4" bore is an excellent candidate for a high revvin car motor. but is a bit of a joke to move a truck. . .(thank you ford)
i like the feel of the I-6 when i drove it in an ole f-1. . .but i wouldnt call that swap worthy either. . .
if youre gonna do the work, you misewell put somethin in thats gonna have some *****. real *****.
i like the feel of the I-6 when i drove it in an ole f-1. . .but i wouldnt call that swap worthy either. . .
if youre gonna do the work, you misewell put somethin in thats gonna have some *****. real *****.
#32
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Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. 300hp from an I6 will require almost as much rpm as it does with the 302, and the cam needed to allow enough airflow to make that power will sacrifice some low end grunt.. so there is no free lunch.
#33
Hey guys, I'm new on here and I've looked thru several of the archives with no luck for the question I have, this thread seems to be sorta on topic anyway. I have a 95 f150, eddie bauer, 2wd, 5spd I-6, Love it by the way, its got about 325000 miles on it with no major repairs come up yet, but as expected with that many miles and years, stuff has started going wrong with it, just this year, it seems like everything is falling apart, no biggie tho, I'm in Afghanistan right now, will have a decent bankroll when I get home, so I plan to fix 'er up. Here's the thing tho, i want to change it over to a 351w, stroked, and I'd like to keep it fuel Injected. Anyone have any experience with such a beast, or can you point me in the right direction anyways? The main thing I'm worried about is the wiring harness, I figure that will be a PITA. Is there anywhere I can get a plug and play harness for the swap? I helped a friend of mine swap his powerstroke out for a cummins and he had a kit so it literally plugged the dodge motor into the ford wiring harness, I figure if it can be done with a deisel surely someone somewhere has done it for gas burners?? But, If they have, they certainly don't want anyone to know about it, I've been combing through google and FTE and other ford forums looking for it.
And, not to be an a-hole, but I don't need a lecture on how much better a 300/6 than the 351, I know the I6 is awesome, I love mine and have for 200000+ miles, the thing is, there is just not a whole lot of performance enhancements for a 300 6cyl, and mine is fuel injected so there are even fewer mods for it. And while right now I can't afford a super-souped engine in my truck, in the near future I would like to be able to do a little bit to it, you can mod a 351 for as long as you have money to keep siking into it,
And, not to be an a-hole, but I don't need a lecture on how much better a 300/6 than the 351, I know the I6 is awesome, I love mine and have for 200000+ miles, the thing is, there is just not a whole lot of performance enhancements for a 300 6cyl, and mine is fuel injected so there are even fewer mods for it. And while right now I can't afford a super-souped engine in my truck, in the near future I would like to be able to do a little bit to it, you can mod a 351 for as long as you have money to keep siking into it,
#35
#38
Man i really hate all the bashing of the little ol' 302. LOL Well ive had about 10 of these 80-96 pickups, and i was impressed by the little 302's that ive had in some of these trucks. My first two F-150's were the carb'd 300 with 4spds. and yes the power was OK but my 2 87 F-150's with 302 EFI's, one being a AOD and the other a 4spd., would run circles around the 300's and get better gas mileage. I also thought that my 87's would tow better too than my 300's as well. So If it was up to me Id bore and stroke the little 302 and let her eat.
#39
#40
i have a 93 f150 with a 302 and a 90 f250 with a 5.8L from a 95. both 4wd. 150 is auto and 250 is zf. the 302 is a turd and my 351 has more than enough power to climb hills, pull whatever and basically stomp *****.
i know the little aod isnt helping the 302 much but i have to kick it down into passing gear just to get up hills on the highway. and im sure the headers help out the 351 a little bit. they are just shorties so its not like a giant advantage, esp. with the puny stock exhaust. the 2bbl 351 in my old '81 f250 would pull a house up a hill with the t-18.
bottom line for my $.02 i would never choose a 302 over a 351 apples to apples. (ok maybe in a mustang i planned on drag racing. and id still probably choose a 351)
btw my 351 4x4 at 5100lbs gets 15mpg on the highway. the old 2bbl got 14mpg loaded.
i know the little aod isnt helping the 302 much but i have to kick it down into passing gear just to get up hills on the highway. and im sure the headers help out the 351 a little bit. they are just shorties so its not like a giant advantage, esp. with the puny stock exhaust. the 2bbl 351 in my old '81 f250 would pull a house up a hill with the t-18.
bottom line for my $.02 i would never choose a 302 over a 351 apples to apples. (ok maybe in a mustang i planned on drag racing. and id still probably choose a 351)
btw my 351 4x4 at 5100lbs gets 15mpg on the highway. the old 2bbl got 14mpg loaded.
#42
Ok so here it is.
I have 94 F150 xlt 4x4 with a 302 5.0L V8 engine and she getting tired.
My question is what would be the best route to go, should i keep the 302 or move on to another engine?
I have an opportunity to put a new(not a rebuld) 302 in my truck and tweek it or do i not bother and get some thing different.
And what would be better if i were to get a differnt engine? HP? TQ?
302 vs ......
Jorgen
I have 94 F150 xlt 4x4 with a 302 5.0L V8 engine and she getting tired.
My question is what would be the best route to go, should i keep the 302 or move on to another engine?
I have an opportunity to put a new(not a rebuld) 302 in my truck and tweek it or do i not bother and get some thing different.
And what would be better if i were to get a differnt engine? HP? TQ?
302 vs ......
Jorgen
#43
....What are you going to use the truck for , and what do you wan't from it , the 94-95 302s are the best ones , they have a decent roller cam , and may be mass air with sequential FI , if it is thats the best base for a 302 build , your HP and TQ are just about limit less with the after market support for this motor , heads , headers , cam , gears , stroke it to a 347 , its up to you......Lew
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