Glow plug Conundrum
#48
I think it's just the industry. It's probably cheaper to replace a few heads here and there than train/equip techs. To do it right you'd need some sort of datum plane and a jig, plus calibrated surface gauges like a depth gauge (usually ruby tipped) that shares that same datum. Pretty costly and anything less would be akin to eyeballing it. A profilometer would do it easily but for a dealership that would be cost prohibitive..
#49
#50
But then they wouldn't get to stick the customers with the full replacement price. I'd bet the overhead on one of these heads is very simialr to the cost of machining it (after the fact) so they would stand to make more/a profit but selling people new heads.
#51
#52
Here are a couple of other threads that seem to relate to the wrong glow plugs being installed:
#6 cylinder has no compression - HELP!!! - Diesel Forum - TheDieselStop.com
EGR Cooler -Engine Failure - *PICTURES* - Diesel Forum - TheDieselStop.com
#6 cylinder has no compression - HELP!!! - Diesel Forum - TheDieselStop.com
EGR Cooler -Engine Failure - *PICTURES* - Diesel Forum - TheDieselStop.com
#53
Here are a couple of other threads that seem to relate to the wrong glow plugs being installed:
#6 cylinder has no compression - HELP!!! - Diesel Forum - TheDieselStop.com
EGR Cooler -Engine Failure - *PICTURES* - Diesel Forum - TheDieselStop.com
#6 cylinder has no compression - HELP!!! - Diesel Forum - TheDieselStop.com
EGR Cooler -Engine Failure - *PICTURES* - Diesel Forum - TheDieselStop.com
Wow! amazing amount of damage for a glowplug part # slipup.
Last edited by Rusty Axlerod; 04-03-2011 at 08:14 AM. Reason: spelling
#54
I still think they should own up to their mistakes because they put the wrong parts in the customers truck and I'm sure somewhere in the ford r r book it says " using the long gloeplugs instead of the short ones can/will cause catastrophic engine failure" and that is exactly what happened so they should own up to it
#55
Thanks for the links Bismic.
Again just to clarify, I went through 5 years of repair invoices. Glow plugs are not mentioned. But would it be possible they would have replaced the glow plugs as standard practise when doing a repair, such as head gaskets etc? Like when you get a tune up on a gasser. It includes new plugs but I don't remember seeing it mentioned on the repair invoice.
Again just to clarify, I went through 5 years of repair invoices. Glow plugs are not mentioned. But would it be possible they would have replaced the glow plugs as standard practise when doing a repair, such as head gaskets etc? Like when you get a tune up on a gasser. It includes new plugs but I don't remember seeing it mentioned on the repair invoice.
#58
I still think they should own up to their mistakes because they put the wrong parts in the customers truck and I'm sure somewhere in the ford r r book it says " using the long gloeplugs instead of the short ones can/will cause catastrophic engine failure" and that is exactly what happened so they should own up to it
The op never experienced a catastrophic engine failure, which is described as a part failing and because of it, the engine is ruined and not repairable.
#59
CAN/will cause engine failure whether catastrophic or not the engine quit running and that was due to negligence of the ford tech putting the wrong plugs in.. I don't know how anyone could actually " defend" ford on this issue in this forum other than just to tell the man that ford will definitely not own up to this easily.. but bottom line is that they put the wrong plugs in the motor and the man needs to be compensated I don't know how to put it so people will understand
#60
We (I) understand all too well that it may be the case that Ford is at fault but my point was that it'll be nearly impossible to prove that (see below)
In short, we understand you're point but what you are not understanding is the fact that the burden of proof is on Carae NOT Ford and it'll be next to impossible to prove that A caused B & C because D,E,F,etc could have also caused the problem... I'm not defending Ford, I'm giving you a dose of courtroom reality.