NOOOOO!!! Don't do it!

 

Im considering a trade myself. Cant get a dealer to work on it, want to tune it but these trucks are too expensive to drive without a warranty. Diesel doesnt appear it will ever be cheap again and there is no MPG advantage anymore. If the V10 was still an option this truck would be on the dealer lot for sale already. I have owned diesels for 12 years so I hate to go this route but feeling more and more forced in to it due to the problems.

 

Do the math, diesel is still cheaper to operate per mile than gas for *comparable* trucks. The difference is not as great as it was in years past, but it is still cheaper.

 

I agree. I dont think I'd ever buy anything newer than a 6.4. The cost of ownership is getting way too high with all this emissions bullcrap. Also, this is probably just a reason for me, but with the quiet diesel technology and the DPF not making it blow smoke or even smell like a diesel, they're basically just like gassers now

 

Im beginning to think im not nearly mechanically inclined enough to own this truck any more. I grew up in a concrete plant with 60's-70's diesels running all around me and Im still alive. And the diesel prices yeah thats just the MAN pushing us all into hybrids SIGH!

 

The recent hybrid cars perform pretty well, we had if I recall a Nissan Altima hybrid when out in L.A. recently and with a maniac driving it like it was a rental, it was all I could do to hang on to the GPS and try to navigate in the passenger seat. I'd be more than happy to play around with one of the new medium duty hybrid trucks, if the "man" want's to subsidize it nicely for me...

 

Ill put my order in for one of those medium dutys soon as they can put my 5th wheel hitch in it.

 

Oh, they can put the hitch in it now.

 

DPF-delete + tune + MBRP Cool Duals = DIESEL! Looks, smells and sounds like a diesel should (at least to me of course), although my '04 Excursion w/an Elite modified '03 turbo sounded way more sick...

My '10 idling sounds like a Harrier getting ready for take-off, and if overfueling (also known is smoke) is "required" that's not a problem either!

 

Yeah but can it pull it? hell who knows maybe one day they will be able to.

 

I think that the Big Three didn't have a choice but to put the kibosh on the 1/2 ton diesels because of the ever increasing crippling emissions regulations. A diesel F150 or Expedition would likely be quite successful. Perfect for the lighter tower/traveler that doesn't need or want a 3/4 or 1 ton suspension...Man I would have killed for a DuraMax in my Cadillac Escalade ESV...but didn't have almost $60K burning a hole in my pocket for the conversion!

Gotta fact the reality that the common American (mis)conception of diesel is that they're loud, smoky, smelly and underpowered. We're making progress but gas is gonna have be $20/gallon before we'd see the kind of numbers that the Europeans have for diesel ownership (upwards of 50%!)

Ugghhh....

 

Gas = $3.79, diesel = $4.19 today. So the fuel is $.40/gallon more and my mpg isnt any better. 15 quart oil changes, $15 oil filters, fuel filters, fuel additive, and most importantly an engine that even the Ford techs tell you "dont dare own one without a warranty" which rules out the possibility of a tuner for me. Believe me, I want Ronin's set up but dont have the balz to do it with this engine's problems and cost of repairs.

IMO, there is only 1 selling point to a modern diesel and that is torque. But I am seriously considering sacrificing the torque for more reliablity and cheaper cost of ownership.

 

I get what you are saying but I look at this way. It is just like buying premium gasoline which some cars need for high performance engines which is exactly what we have. Owners of most BMW's, Corvettes, Porsches, etc also don’t drive them without a warranty either because of high repair bills and tight tolerances and they can’t even tow and only carry in most cases 2 people. They also can't modify nearly as much as we can without paying big $. You pay to play and I haven’t found one thing cheap about camping but yet I do it cuz life is short and money is just green paper and I use it to do what I want even though I don’t have allot.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

 

The difference is $0.21 here. As for MPG, of the two 1T, CC, DRW, 4x4, LB trucks I have, one gas and one diesel, the diesel gets 27% higher MPG (and it weighs 2k lb more).

 

where i live diesel and premium are usually the same