getting a cdl A with pickup+trailer
#31
04-01-2011, 08:43 PM
Vehicles registered as "Farm Vehicle", a combination of truck and trailer, over 26001 and pulling a trailer over 10000 require a CDL Class A, but not a DOT#.
#33
04-01-2011, 10:20 PM
Can you read?
Like I said. Personal use.
Personal use can require a CDL, but not USDOT numbers.
Would you like me to quote the FMCSR for you?
Last edited by Crete; 04-01-2011 at 10:26 PM. Reason: spelling
#35
04-02-2011, 02:30 AM
Cargo Master
Personal Use will never require a CDL. You are thinking that all Class A licenses are CDLs... they are not.
this is wrong, too. This exemption allows a non-CDL of any class to operate an Ag Exempt vehicle.
Only if within 150 miles of the farm.
#37
04-02-2011, 07:25 AM
1.) Personal use is NOT exempt from CDL.
For example: If I hook my 20k GN trailer to my F350 to haul my loader across the state border to go to my sisters house to help grade her yard, for free. A class A CDL will be needed. A class A CDL will be needed for both intra or interstate.
Federal definition of a CMV:
Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle—
(a) Has a gross combination weight rating of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds);
(a) Has a gross combination weight rating of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds);
Here are the applicability and exemptions from part 383.
Applicability. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
You will notice there is no personal use exemption.
2.) Ag exemption from CDL is only good for 150 miles.
Important Note
Farm vehicle drivers operating outside the 150 miles of their farm or operating as a for-hire carrier will lose the CDL exemption and must then obtain a commercial driver license for the class of vehicle being driven.
Farm vehicle drivers operating outside the 150 miles of their farm or operating as a for-hire carrier will lose the CDL exemption and must then obtain a commercial driver license for the class of vehicle being driven.
Reading is fundamental grasshopper.
So much for that not being wrong thing.
#39
04-02-2011, 07:53 AM
True. My assumption here is that you guys were discussing vehicles over 26001.
I'm thinking that Texas has slightly more restrictive license requirements than most states when it comes to the higher GVWR's. If you are not in "commerce", then a CDL is not required.
I'm thinking that Texas has slightly more restrictive license requirements than most states when it comes to the higher GVWR's. If you are not in "commerce", then a CDL is not required.
1.) Personal use is NOT exempt from CDL.
For example: If I hook my 20k GN trailer to my F350 to haul my loader across the state border to go to my sisters house to help grade her yard, for free. A class A CDL will be needed. A class A CDL will be needed for both intra or interstate.
For example: If I hook my 20k GN trailer to my F350 to haul my loader across the state border to go to my sisters house to help grade her yard, for free. A class A CDL will be needed. A class A CDL will be needed for both intra or interstate.
Question 6: A driver operates a tractor of exactly 26,000 pounds Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR), towing a trailer of exactly 10,000 pounds GVWR, for a GCWR of 36,000 pounds. HM and passengers are not involved. Is it a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV)s and does the driver need a CDL?
Guidance: No to both questions. Although the vehicle has a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of 36,000 pounds, it is not a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) under any part of the definition of that term in §383.5, and a CDL is not federally required.
Guidance: No to both questions. Although the vehicle has a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of 36,000 pounds, it is not a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) under any part of the definition of that term in §383.5, and a CDL is not federally required.
#40
04-02-2011, 12:31 PM
Cargo Master
Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle
So much for that not being wrong thing.
#41
04-02-2011, 05:59 PM
Did you read the definition of "commerce"? I guess not.
Definitions. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
Moral of the story is that personal use is explicitly exempt from USDOT numbers, it is not from CDL.
Commerce means (a) any trade, traffic or transportation within the jurisdiction of the United States between a place in a State and a place outside of such State, including a place outside of the United States and (b) trade, traffic, and transportation in the United States which affects any trade, traffic, and transportation described in paragraph (a) of this definition.
Moral of the story is that personal use is explicitly exempt from USDOT numbers, it is not from CDL.
#42
04-02-2011, 06:09 PM
Does TX even have a class D?
Can you show us Texas's definition of commerce? I have a hard time believing that it is much different from the feds.
Last edited by Crete; 04-02-2011 at 06:27 PM. Reason: fixed quote tags
#43
04-02-2011, 06:23 PM
Cargo Master
Moral of the story is that personal use is explicitly exempt from USDOT numbers, it is not from CDL.
For example:
Showing (NOT SELLING) antique tractors at non-competition events. No profit is made from the show, so there is no trade, no traffic, and no transportation (there are business definitions for each of these words, too... hint: they all involve the exchange of value... driving personal property from location to location doesn't fall under this). Most of this is covered by RV exeptions, too. Again. RVs (the large bus type) are a case where a non-CDL class B with Air Brake endorsement is required.
Texas does not have a Class D. Class A, B, C, and M only.
#44
04-02-2011, 06:37 PM
RVs (the large bus type) are a case where a non-CDL class B is required.
RVs (the large bus type) are a case where a non-CDL class B with Air Brake endorsement is required.
You posts are just useless dribble without facts to back them up.
#45
04-02-2011, 07:26 PM
If you must insist on this "air brake" endorsement please show us where it exists.
Code Endorsement
T Double/Triple trailer
P Passenger
N Tank
H Hazardous Material
X Combination N and H
S School Bus
Code Restriction
M Intrastate Only (commercial motor vehicle)
L No Air Brakes
P Licensed CDL operator in front seat
-all classes CMV’s
Licensed CDL operator in front seat
-CMV’s above Class B
Licensed CDL operator in front seat
-CMV’s above Class C
Looks like Texas is pretty much in line with the Feds.
Last edited by msgtord; 04-02-2011 at 07:33 PM. Reason: add additional