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Vehicles registered as "Farm Vehicle", a combination of truck and trailer, over 26001 and pulling a trailer over 10000 require a CDL Class A, but not a DOT#.
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Vehicles registered as "Farm Vehicle", a combination of truck and trailer, over 26001 and pulling a trailer over 10000 require a CDL Class A, but not a DOT#.
non CDL class A works, too.
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not if you're crossing state lines (interstate commerce)...
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Think personal exemption.

Can you read?

Like I said. Personal use.

Personal use can require a CDL, but not USDOT numbers.

Would you like me to quote the FMCSR for you?

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non CDL class A works, too.
Only if within 150 miles of the farm.
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Personal Use will never require a CDL. You are thinking that all Class A licenses are CDLs... they are not.

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this is wrong, too. This exemption allows a non-CDL of any class to operate an Ag Exempt vehicle.
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"Combination", requires a CDL. Straight truck can use a standard Class D.
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Personal Use will never require a CDL. You are thinking that all Class A licenses are CDLs... they are not.

this is wrong, too. This exemption allows a non-CDL of any class to operate an Ag Exempt vehicle.
Wrong 2X grasshopper. Trust me I am not confusing the 2 class A's.

1.) Personal use is NOT exempt from CDL.

For example: If I hook my 20k GN trailer to my F350 to haul my loader across the state border to go to my sisters house to help grade her yard, for free. A class A CDL will be needed. A class A CDL will be needed for both intra or interstate.

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Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle—
(a) Has a gross combination weight rating of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds);
Definitions. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

Here are the applicability and exemptions from part 383.

Applicability. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

You will notice there is no personal use exemption.

2.) Ag exemption from CDL is only good for 150 miles.

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Farm vehicle drivers operating outside the 150 miles of their farm or operating as a for-hire carrier will lose the CDL exemption and must then obtain a commercial driver license for the class of vehicle being driven.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/Interne...rms/CVE-13.pdf

Reading is fundamental grasshopper.

So much for that not being wrong thing.
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"Combination", requires a CDL. Straight truck can use a standard Class D.
Both will strictly depend on the GVWR/GCWR.
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Both will strictly depend on the GVWR/GCWR.
True. My assumption here is that you guys were discussing vehicles over 26001.

I'm thinking that Texas has slightly more restrictive license requirements than most states when it comes to the higher GVWR's. If you are not in "commerce", then a CDL is not required.

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1.) Personal use is NOT exempt from CDL.

For example: If I hook my 20k GN trailer to my F350 to haul my loader across the state border to go to my sisters house to help grade her yard, for free. A class A CDL will be needed. A class A CDL will be needed for both intra or interstate.
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Question 6: A driver operates a tractor of exactly 26,000 pounds Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR), towing a trailer of exactly 10,000 pounds GVWR, for a GCWR of 36,000 pounds. HM and passengers are not involved. Is it a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV)s and does the driver need a CDL?
Guidance: No to both questions. Although the vehicle has a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of 36,000 pounds, it is not a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) under any part of the definition of that term in §383.5, and a CDL is not federally required.
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Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle
yes, reading IS fundamental.

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So much for that not being wrong thing.
thank you for admitting it.
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yes, reading IS fundamental.
Did you read the definition of "commerce"? I guess not.

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Commerce means (a) any trade, traffic or transportation within the jurisdiction of the United States between a place in a State and a place outside of such State, including a place outside of the United States and (b) trade, traffic, and transportation in the United States which affects any trade, traffic, and transportation described in paragraph (a) of this definition.
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Moral of the story is that personal use is explicitly exempt from USDOT numbers, it is not from CDL.
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True. My assumption here is that you guys were discussing vehicles over 26001.
Then how would a straight truck be a class D?

Does TX even have a class D?

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I'm thinking that Texas has slightly more restrictive license requirements than most states when it comes to the higher GVWR's. If you are not in "commerce", then a CDL is not required.
Wouldn't that be less restrictive?

Can you show us Texas's definition of commerce? I have a hard time believing that it is much different from the feds.

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Moral of the story is that personal use is explicitly exempt from USDOT numbers, it is not from CDL.
yes it is. If you are driving a personal vehicle, towing a personal trailer, loaded with personal items that are not used for business you do not fall under that very definition of commerce that you posted.

For example:
Showing (NOT SELLING) antique tractors at non-competition events. No profit is made from the show, so there is no trade, no traffic, and no transportation (there are business definitions for each of these words, too... hint: they all involve the exchange of value... driving personal property from location to location doesn't fall under this). Most of this is covered by RV exeptions, too. Again. RVs (the large bus type) are a case where a non-CDL class B with Air Brake endorsement is required.

Texas does not have a Class D. Class A, B, C, and M only.
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yes it is. If you are driving a personal vehicle, towing a personal trailer, loaded with personal items that are not used for business you do not fall under that very definition of commerce that you posted.
What part of "any traffic" don't you understand?


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RVs (the large bus type) are a case where a non-CDL class B is required.
No disagreement here.

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RVs (the large bus type) are a case where a non-CDL class B with Air Brake endorsement is required.
If you must insist on this "air brake" endorsement please show us where it exists.

You posts are just useless dribble without facts to back them up.
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If you must insist on this "air brake" endorsement please show us where it exists.
From the Texas Commercial Drivers license handbook:

Code Endorsement

T Double/Triple trailer
P Passenger
N Tank
H Hazardous Material
X Combination N and H
S School Bus

Code Restriction

M Intrastate Only (commercial motor vehicle)
L No Air Brakes
P Licensed CDL operator in front seat
-all classes CMV’s
Licensed CDL operator in front seat
-CMV’s above Class B
Licensed CDL operator in front seat
-CMV’s above Class C

Looks like Texas is pretty much in line with the Feds.
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