'79 to '77 and older grill swap - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums



Missouri Chapter Join Chapter , Leader:tcbofade

'79 to '77 and older grill swap

Reply
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 03-20-2011, 03:27 PM
earthquake68's Avatar
earthquake68 earthquake68 is online now
Post Fiend
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: THIS IS SPARTA!, ...Mo.
Posts: 9,508
earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.
'79 to '77 and older grill swap

This has come up enough in the past I decided to document the process. One of the first things I noticed is hardware size. The '79's have 1/4-20 bolts for most everything and the older grills have 5/16-18 bolts holding most everything together. You can interchange the hardware if you use the correct clips for the correct bolts.

Secondly, All the wires are plenty long enough that you don't need to add anything to the wiring harness. The older style turn signals have sockets that are pressed into the buckets that bolt into the grill shell. The '78-9 grills have a plastic lens/bucket that's all one piece that a socket twists into for the bulb.

Ok, let's get started........

Here's what we started with.... ('79 with a tube grill)



Pop the hood and take all six bolts out of the top of the grill. Take the headlight bezels off and remove the hidden screws under them. There are three bolts you have to get at from inside the fenderwell. Yup, you have to take that loose as well. You don't however have to take it out.

I tried to just take the bumper loose on one side to get the grill out, but after a while, it proved to be easier to just remove it all together.



Don't forget the bolt in the middle bottom of the grill and the two on either side at the bottom. All three are behind the bumper.

As I said, the wiring harness is plenty long enough, you just have to splice the pig tail from the new turn signal bucket into the existing harness. It would've been better to use a male/female spade connector so you could unplug it in the future, but I did this.

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-20-2011, 03:42 PM
earthquake68's Avatar
earthquake68 earthquake68 is online now
Post Fiend
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: THIS IS SPARTA!, ...Mo.
Posts: 9,508
earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.
There are some differences between the '79 grill shell and the '77. The upper mounting holes on the outside are just different enough to not work. Here's a shot of the new grill lined up side to side with the body. You can see the where the old mounting positions are.



All the side mounting holes are the same, so you don't need to drill those over again.



The old headlight buckets are VERY different from the new ones. The '79 headlights mount about two inches higher than the '77 and older. That's why this is a good trick on lifted trucks. The older style grill brings your headlight angle down so you can have a little taller truck and still be legal.

I had to put the grill shell in place, hold the new headlight bucket in place, then scribe the new hole locations. I drilled 3/8" holes so I had a little wiggle room to fine tune the placement of the headlights.

Here's a shot of the scribe marks in each corner of the photo frame here....



I had to drill pilot holes, because the 3/8" drill bit walked around too much. Here's a shot with the new holes drilled. See the sharpie arrow marks? Those are the new mounting holes.



I loosely put everything together to make sure everything lined up. Looks good so far, so I tightened it down.



As I said before, the upper holes are just different enough to not work. I just drilled new holes in the grill shell since they'll be hidden anyway.



Ok, looks like we're all done. Everything in and lined up nice.



Just one more thing.....

Now that I can close the hood, I notice we have a Ford Ford.



I popped the letters off and pushed the plastic keepers into the hood. When I do the body work, I'll weld them shut and grind them smooth so you won't ever be able to tell I was here.



And here we are at the end result. A '77 grill in a '79 Truck. Woo Hoo!

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-20-2011, 05:09 PM
impalaslayer's Avatar
impalaslayer impalaslayer is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: townsend DE
Posts: 1,186
impalaslayer is starting off with a positive reputation.
mhmm much better! good job
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-20-2011, 08:34 PM
earthquake68's Avatar
earthquake68 earthquake68 is online now
Post Fiend
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: THIS IS SPARTA!, ...Mo.
Posts: 9,508
earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.
I agree. '77 is my favorite style grill. When I'm completely done with the truck, it'll look like my first dent. (The one that I shouldn't have sold)

Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-21-2011, 08:46 AM
77&79F250's Avatar
77&79F250 77&79F250 is online now
Used OEM parts guy
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: S/W Missouri
Posts: 23,609
77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future
Are going to leave the 79 bumper on it or do you need a 77? Looks good and nice write up also, sorry I kept forgetting about the dang park light lens.

Do you need some spare inserts incase you want to go black out on them?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-21-2011, 09:06 AM
earthquake68's Avatar
earthquake68 earthquake68 is online now
Post Fiend
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: THIS IS SPARTA!, ...Mo.
Posts: 9,508
earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.
No sweat Rich. I stumbled over a guy like your junk yard down here. I'm all set on dent parts forever. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a dentside in his yard. If anyone needs anything, let me know. The yellow truck is a bad picture. Those inserts are actually gray and black, it's just the picture was dark. As far as the bumper, if you have one laying around, let me know, but don't go out of your way for me. My bumper is still nice, and only old Ford truck guys will notice it's a '79 bumper.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-21-2011, 09:15 AM
whiskey runner's Avatar
whiskey runner whiskey runner is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: missouri
Posts: 6,605
whiskey runner has a good reputation on FTE.whiskey runner has a good reputation on FTE.
looking good alan...i like the look as long as you keep foreign objects off the plastic parts....... a 13 yr. old kid is wanting my old green bumpside..i hate to sell it in a way its been part of the landscape around here since the 80's.. he almost crapped when i told him i wanted 750.00 for it anyway...i am thinking of doing a different grille in it like maybe a 67 style..i have some parts but time is the killer for me, when you get a few minutes come on down and show me how its done....ha ha ha then maybe i'll make it my daily driver again, get me outta this chevy wanna be truck
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-21-2011, 09:37 AM
earthquake68's Avatar
earthquake68 earthquake68 is online now
Post Fiend
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: THIS IS SPARTA!, ...Mo.
Posts: 9,508
earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.earthquake68 has a very good reputation on FTE.
I'll see if I can steal away this weekend, RC.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-15-2012, 11:45 AM
mustang81's Avatar
mustang81 mustang81 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: New-brunswick,Canada
Posts: 776
mustang81 is starting off with a positive reputation.
1978 f-150

1978 Ford F-150 Pickup Truck - Bathurst Cars For Sale - Kijiji Bathurst Canada.

Here the truck i want to buy for 1500 what do you guy's think ?

I offer him 500 but he refuse. He said he have a 460 with the tranny and a 3/4 ton front differential to convert 4X4 but is more than 1500 for everything.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-15-2012, 12:33 PM
77&79F250's Avatar
77&79F250 77&79F250 is online now
Used OEM parts guy
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: S/W Missouri
Posts: 23,609
77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future
Ah.... they do not just convert at the snap of the ol fingers, its way more complicated then that. If you want a 4x4 you would be better off just buying one already 4 wheel drive.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-15-2012, 12:46 PM
mustang81's Avatar
mustang81 mustang81 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: New-brunswick,Canada
Posts: 776
mustang81 is starting off with a positive reputation.
I'm looking for a truck to install my 400. Don't want to convert 4X4. But i'm willing to spend time, i just build my garage last fall. A 302 to 400 involve what ?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-15-2012, 04:27 PM
77&79F250's Avatar
77&79F250 77&79F250 is online now
Used OEM parts guy
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: S/W Missouri
Posts: 23,609
77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future
302 is a small block and the 400 is a big block, so you would need a different bell housing to match your transmission to the big block motor if thats possible?

Locate some eng towers or perches ect...maybe a different crossmember for the trans?

I would hit the eng forums and get it from the guys in there, since I am out of suggestions.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-16-2012, 06:12 AM
mustang81's Avatar
mustang81 mustang81 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: New-brunswick,Canada
Posts: 776
mustang81 is starting off with a positive reputation.
I already have an auto transmission with my 400, it came from a 77 truck 4 door, i think it's a fmx.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-16-2012, 06:29 AM
mustang81's Avatar
mustang81 mustang81 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: New-brunswick,Canada
Posts: 776
mustang81 is starting off with a positive reputation.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/pi...ictureid=21339
The engine have rebuilt aussie head with ss valves and roller rocker, edelbrock intake with 600cfm... everything is new or rebuilt exept the distributor.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 03-16-2012, 07:38 AM
77&79F250's Avatar
77&79F250 77&79F250 is online now
Used OEM parts guy
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: S/W Missouri
Posts: 23,609
77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future77&79F250 has a brilliant future
I would say its a C-6, ck the pan pattern to find out. All in all it sounds like a doable swap then?
Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I remember when they were trucks! (truck porn) earthquake68 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 10 11-28-2012 06:58 AM
The next project earthquake68 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 6 07-04-2012 05:39 PM
Earthquake Build thread ....slow but sure. earthquake68 1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks 15 05-27-2012 10:30 PM
How fast can you take a running truck and stack it up in the yard? earthquake68 1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 26 12-30-2011 03:28 AM
Bumper lift for a body lift. earthquake68 Missouri Chapter 23 08-21-2011 11:05 PM


Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > >

Tags
1979, 76, 77, 78, 79, body, f150, f250, ford, grill, grille, older, put, swap, truck

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:15 AM.


This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.