Yea GM is having ALOT of problems with there systems!
2011 F350 6.7 CC/SB FX4 White Plat,Lariat ultimate
Warn Gen II winch mount
2" Autospring leveling kit,35/12.50/20 Toyo M/T's
Rancho shocks & dual stabilizers,
HID Headlight upgrade,Adj. High Idle Mod
2008 6.4L CC (Sold)
I wonder why GM took the route of limp mode vs. our Fords keep running; the side effect seems to be more fuel burnt on the Fords.
You would think the EPA would require similar requirements for all DEF vehicles.
the worst vehicles I have ever seen have been GM products, funny those labels they put on have looked exactly the same since the '70's. if you have a long lasting reliable GM product I would say you got lucky. but people still seem to keep on buying.
I still remember the lumina's, berettas, astros, and those slant nose vans of the mid to early 90's ***** would come off in your hand, the door handle may break off, the dash would be bulging and the head liner sagging down on your head. ford has made some terds too, windstars and taurus come to mind and the 6.0, had a neighbor with an '06 6.0 had tons of problems sold it and bought an '11 dodge, too bad he didn't stick with ford I think a new one would have made him happy.
2011 4x4 F250 XLT crew cab, white 6.7 adobe cloth interior, dodge man coming to the dark side
dunno haven't used or needed it but seriously I was just wondering if our setup was as simple as just pulling a fuse or reflashing and voila like it was never there like on the GM vehicles.
It appears to me the temporary GM fix is considerably more involved than pulling a fuse. It looks like a completely new ECM program to allow the bypassing of the DEF injection system without triggering CEL's and limp mode operation. I would think you would need to backwards engineer the computer coding to duplicate the results. GM and Ford have the source code so it is easier for them. JMO
Look at Trucklands thread. He just found out his warranty was worth at least $2000.
A couple of thoughts, I'm really glad the friend did not give his Dmax back in the previous post. No 2011 Dmax and we would not have free 400/800. I do find it ironic at how easy (and quietly) GM was able to get an open ended exemption out of EPA and CARB. I seem to remember a bunch of folks (not here) bagging on Dodge about having an exemption since they weren't using DEF this year when in fact they just have a different strategy for treatment.
Other than having to fill it DEF is our best friend, it knocks down NOX emissions with out any performance affect in fact the opposite is true. A large portion of the fuel economy gains of our engines over the 6.4 is the reduction of EGR required due to the DEF doing the same job. If I had a choice I would have a 20 gallon DEF tank and no EGR system in a heartbeat. If for no other reason than the contamination of the oil it causes.
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