First batch with biodiesel
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First batch with biodiesel
Just wanted to make sure i am on the right track here.
i am making a 17.5 gal batch. it is my first batch.
i let the methoxide and oil mix for about 1.5 hours. finshed circulating at 9:30pm. Should i take a sample off the top tomorrow around 10am and do a 3/27 test to see if i can drain the glycerin and continue to the wash?
Thanks guys!!
i am making a 17.5 gal batch. it is my first batch.
i let the methoxide and oil mix for about 1.5 hours. finshed circulating at 9:30pm. Should i take a sample off the top tomorrow around 10am and do a 3/27 test to see if i can drain the glycerin and continue to the wash?
Thanks guys!!
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Just wanted to make sure i am on the right track here.
i am making a 17.5 gal batch. it is my first batch.
i let the methoxide and oil mix for about 1.5 hours. finshed circulating at 9:30pm. Should i take a sample off the top tomorrow around 10am and do a 3/27 test to see if i can drain the glycerin and continue to the wash?
Thanks guys!!
i am making a 17.5 gal batch. it is my first batch.
i let the methoxide and oil mix for about 1.5 hours. finshed circulating at 9:30pm. Should i take a sample off the top tomorrow around 10am and do a 3/27 test to see if i can drain the glycerin and continue to the wash?
Thanks guys!!
Usually, 3/27 is taken at the when you think it is close, but do not shut down processor yet. Pull a sample, let it settle (5-10 minutes), take your 3 ml of settled bio and shake with 27 ml of methanol. After 15-20 minutes, it should be clear with no droplets in the bottom. Very important that the 3/27 be performed at 68F. Any warmer will give a false pass, and any cooler will give a false fail.
After you pass 3/27, then shut down processor. For me, my processing temperature starts at 140F, usually pass 3/27 in 1 hour 15 minutes, processor is shut down at about 1.5 hours run time, settle 1 hour, drain glycerol, proceeed to wash.(I use KOH)
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First off, what was your processing temperature and titration #, (BTW, Naoh or KOH?).
Usually, 3/27 is taken at the when you think it is close, but do not shut down processor yet. Pull a sample, let it settle (5-10 minutes), take your 3 ml of settled bio and shake with 27 ml of methanol. After 15-20 minutes, it should be clear with no droplets in the bottom. Very important that the 3/27 be performed at 68F. Any warmer will give a false pass, and any cooler will give a false fail.
After you pass 3/27, then shut down processor. For me, my processing temperature starts at 140F, usually pass 3/27 in 1 hour 15 minutes, processor is shut down at about 1.5 hours run time, settle 1 hour, drain glycerol, proceeed to wash.(I use KOH)
Usually, 3/27 is taken at the when you think it is close, but do not shut down processor yet. Pull a sample, let it settle (5-10 minutes), take your 3 ml of settled bio and shake with 27 ml of methanol. After 15-20 minutes, it should be clear with no droplets in the bottom. Very important that the 3/27 be performed at 68F. Any warmer will give a false pass, and any cooler will give a false fail.
After you pass 3/27, then shut down processor. For me, my processing temperature starts at 140F, usually pass 3/27 in 1 hour 15 minutes, processor is shut down at about 1.5 hours run time, settle 1 hour, drain glycerol, proceeed to wash.(I use KOH)
Titration - 4ml
Temperature outside 40F
KOh
Let me summerize what you did real quick to see if i understand -
1. Titration
2. Heat oil to 130F (circulating Pump on)
3. Mix Meth and KOh (circulating pump on)
4. Keep heat and circulation on the entire time
5. Test 3/27 after 1.25 hours
6. If pass let pump run 15 more min and then turn off heat and pump and let everything settle for one hour and drain glycerol
7. wash
This being said...if you pass the test and then go to drain the glycerol...how do you know you have all the glycerol out?
#4
alvin so you keep heat on it and keep it circulating even after you heat the water up? here is what i had
Titration - 4ml
Temperature outside 40F
KOh
Let me summerize what you did real quick to see if i understand -
1. Titration
2. Heat oil to 130F (circulating Pump on)
3. Mix Meth and KOh (circulating pump on)
4. Keep heat and circulation on the entire time
5. Test 3/27 after 1.25 hours
6. If pass let pump run 15 more min and then turn off heat and pump and let everything settle for one hour and drain glycerol
7. wash
This being said...if you pass the test and then go to drain the glycerol...how do you know you have all the glycerol out?
Titration - 4ml
Temperature outside 40F
KOh
Let me summerize what you did real quick to see if i understand -
1. Titration
2. Heat oil to 130F (circulating Pump on)
3. Mix Meth and KOh (circulating pump on)
4. Keep heat and circulation on the entire time
5. Test 3/27 after 1.25 hours
6. If pass let pump run 15 more min and then turn off heat and pump and let everything settle for one hour and drain glycerol
7. wash
This being said...if you pass the test and then go to drain the glycerol...how do you know you have all the glycerol out?
#6. The reason I usually go to 1.5 hours is because I test 3/27 at 1.25 hours, but keep the processor pump running while I wait for the sample to settle for the 3/27 test.
You will know when you drain most of the glycerol out. Glycerol looks like syrupy coffee. It will quickly change to golden biodiesel. At your titration level, figure on glycerin quantitiy being about the same volume as your methanol input (4.25 gallons or so?). You will never get every speck of it out, and assuming you will water wash, I suggest your first wash cycle to be a static wash. Meaning, after transferring your bio to wash tank, slowly pour a few gallons of warm water into it, let settle 30 minutes to an hour, and drain. Wouldn't hurt to repeat, then proceed to what ever your normal wash routine would be. Keep in mind, slow, easy, and gentle for the first few washes to avoid creating an emulsion. Warm water is best, I wash at 100F-120F.
BTW Phil, what type of processor and wash system do you have? Good luck with this, and let us know how you are progressing. If you run into problems washing, I've run into enough problems to know how to get out of them.
#5
thanks brotha good info right there.
i did the 3/27 test and it came back with no floating oil at all. good sign!
i will post pics of my setup in a min or two, i just transfered to the wash tank. going to go get some hot water and wash it up without bubble rock first then i guiess ill do the bubble rock...17.5 gall of oil, im going to do 5 gal of hot water.
i did the 3/27 test and it came back with no floating oil at all. good sign!
i will post pics of my setup in a min or two, i just transfered to the wash tank. going to go get some hot water and wash it up without bubble rock first then i guiess ill do the bubble rock...17.5 gall of oil, im going to do 5 gal of hot water.
#6
thanks brotha good info right there.
i did the 3/27 test and it came back with no floating oil at all. good sign!
i will post pics of my setup in a min or two, i just transfered to the wash tank. going to go get some hot water and wash it up without bubble rock first then i guiess ill do the bubble rock...17.5 gall of oil, im going to do 5 gal of hot water.
i did the 3/27 test and it came back with no floating oil at all. good sign!
i will post pics of my setup in a min or two, i just transfered to the wash tank. going to go get some hot water and wash it up without bubble rock first then i guiess ill do the bubble rock...17.5 gall of oil, im going to do 5 gal of hot water.
When you are doing your wash, for the first few cycles, it will be opaque looking, like orange juice. This is normal. Just keep washing, settling,and changing out the water until it begins to darken and clear up. At this point your about 1/2 way through your wash cycles.
Good luck and looking forward to your processor pics.
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If anyone could teach me a little about how to use the dry wash that would be great!!
- Picture of the stills, far right is primary, left one is wash. blue drum is for completed fuel, going to switch to plastic to help lessen condensation.
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- Chemical shelf..still needs organizing.
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- was tired of moving the 55 gal drum around so i quick built this dolly...works great
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- first 3/27 with first batch....
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If anyone could teach me a little about how to use the dry wash that would be great!!
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Good looking set up there Phil. And yes, your wash sounds like it's going well. I see that you are looking into drywashing too. I will be doing that as well in the near future when I complete my new reactor. Just a quick heads up though. Master your processing first. I have seen more than a couple people jump into drywashing before mastering proper processing only to have fuel related vehicle issues. But you seem to be headed in the
right direction. Best of luck, and keep us posted.
right direction. Best of luck, and keep us posted.
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