FICM is Toast - 48 or 58 from swamps?
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FICM is Toast - 48 or 58 from swamps?
2004 Excursion
130,000 Miles
4 screw FICM
Been having some cold start issues, loss of MPG, and now starting to get fuel injector voltage low codes. I tested the FICM and it's toast. Registering 26 volts when running.
Need to order a new one from swamps but not sure if there is any real advantage to the 58V over the 48V. My main concern is reliability. I'm thinking 48V. Any obvious reasons for going to the 58 volts other than power increases?
Thanks,
Gregg
130,000 Miles
4 screw FICM
Been having some cold start issues, loss of MPG, and now starting to get fuel injector voltage low codes. I tested the FICM and it's toast. Registering 26 volts when running.
Need to order a new one from swamps but not sure if there is any real advantage to the 58V over the 48V. My main concern is reliability. I'm thinking 48V. Any obvious reasons for going to the 58 volts other than power increases?
Thanks,
Gregg
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Rockauto.com has remaned ones for 305.00+core 100something
search rockauto discount code thats good for 5% off.
if you go to rockauto site find it in the fuel/air click the info for the part it has the place they get them from you can check them out find out what warrenty they give
just a thought
search rockauto discount code thats good for 5% off.
if you go to rockauto site find it in the fuel/air click the info for the part it has the place they get them from you can check them out find out what warrenty they give
just a thought
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Rockauto.com has remaned ones for 305.00+core 100something
search rockauto discount code thats good for 5% off.
if you go to rockauto site find it in the fuel/air click the info for the part it has the place they get them from you can check them out find out what warrenty they give
just a thought
search rockauto discount code thats good for 5% off.
if you go to rockauto site find it in the fuel/air click the info for the part it has the place they get them from you can check them out find out what warrenty they give
just a thought
Hopefully this FICM will be the last one that ever goes on my EX.
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" If you routinely (2+ days a week) haul
12,000 lb or heavier trailers, then stay with the 48 V FICM. If you just want to
tow your camper to the mountains or your boat to the lake on weekends, the
58 will do just fine.
The injectors were designed for 48 volts....
But they work a bunch better when run with 58 volts. "
This is from Jason at swamps diesel! They offer a yr warranty, and say they upgrade the parts! (Make of that what you will, I take it as better parts, but that is in the eye of the beholder)
When I checked my FICM it was reading good, so I didnt buy the 58vlt, YET!!!! This was their answer to my Questions about a.) if it would overheat towing. B.) if it would hurt the injectors, as they are designed to run at 48vlts.
On a side note response was quick, and there policies are right upfront on their web page!
I still may check out rockauto as that seems to be more than a fair price!
12,000 lb or heavier trailers, then stay with the 48 V FICM. If you just want to
tow your camper to the mountains or your boat to the lake on weekends, the
58 will do just fine.
The injectors were designed for 48 volts....
But they work a bunch better when run with 58 volts. "
This is from Jason at swamps diesel! They offer a yr warranty, and say they upgrade the parts! (Make of that what you will, I take it as better parts, but that is in the eye of the beholder)
When I checked my FICM it was reading good, so I didnt buy the 58vlt, YET!!!! This was their answer to my Questions about a.) if it would overheat towing. B.) if it would hurt the injectors, as they are designed to run at 48vlts.
On a side note response was quick, and there policies are right upfront on their web page!
I still may check out rockauto as that seems to be more than a fair price!
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#8
The warranty covers FICM only, not consequential damage.
Do they publish a list of part numbers used to "upgrade" so we can validate and check the specs?
Funny, on their website, there is no mention of "upgraded" parts.
Are technical specifications that are meticulously validated at the manufacturer's level "in the eye of the beholder"?
If so, do you buy fuel that the vendor swears is 50 cetane..... and notice that your ride just sputters on the stuff?
Eye of the beholder?
Bring on the facts.
The actual part numbers used.
The source of the parts.
The actual specifications.
I like to see where they got 470uf or better (above 50V) and 1000uf or better (above 35V) capacitors rated at 125 degrees or better (with a reasonable hour life, and reasonable specs for ripple current.)
Hint: it is not impossible... just not easy to do.
Do they publish a list of part numbers used to "upgrade" so we can validate and check the specs?
Funny, on their website, there is no mention of "upgraded" parts.
If so, do you buy fuel that the vendor swears is 50 cetane..... and notice that your ride just sputters on the stuff?
Eye of the beholder?
Bring on the facts.
The actual part numbers used.
The source of the parts.
The actual specifications.
I like to see where they got 470uf or better (above 50V) and 1000uf or better (above 35V) capacitors rated at 125 degrees or better (with a reasonable hour life, and reasonable specs for ripple current.)
Hint: it is not impossible... just not easy to do.
#9
The warranty covers FICM only, not consequential damage.
Do they publish a list of part numbers used to "upgrade" so we can validate and check the specs?
Funny, on their website, there is no mention of "upgraded" parts.
Are technical specifications that are meticulously validated at the manufacturer's level "in the eye of the beholder"?
If so, do you buy fuel that the vendor swears is 50 cetane..... and notice that your ride just sputters on the stuff?
Eye of the beholder?
Bring on the facts.
The actual part numbers used.
The source of the parts.
The actual specifications.
I like to see where they got 470uf or better (above 50V) and 1000uf or better (above 35V) capacitors rated at 125 degrees or better (with a reasonable hour life, and reasonable specs for ripple current.)
Hint: it is not impossible... just not easy to do.
Do they publish a list of part numbers used to "upgrade" so we can validate and check the specs?
Funny, on their website, there is no mention of "upgraded" parts.
Are technical specifications that are meticulously validated at the manufacturer's level "in the eye of the beholder"?
If so, do you buy fuel that the vendor swears is 50 cetane..... and notice that your ride just sputters on the stuff?
Eye of the beholder?
Bring on the facts.
The actual part numbers used.
The source of the parts.
The actual specifications.
I like to see where they got 470uf or better (above 50V) and 1000uf or better (above 35V) capacitors rated at 125 degrees or better (with a reasonable hour life, and reasonable specs for ripple current.)
Hint: it is not impossible... just not easy to do.
#10
When questions of technical specifications, engineering and validation turn into religious debates over faith, who to believe, and gospel that is sent by non public email to believers (and not published for the general public)....
I think I have then answer I need.
I will wait for a reputable independent laboratory with the proper equipment to run actual tests and publish the results before I decide to deviate from the original design.
Install it.
Be an alpha test site.
Be my guest.
So far, people who have tried the 58v mod have pretty mixed results -- ranging from no difference to codes --- separating the ones who just did the voltage and not additional software tuning.
Oh yes, I like my chassis mounted FICM just fine.
And my beast will be running long after many trucks on here are scrapped.
It is orders of magnitude more reliable than the engine mounted part.
Yes... I have a standing request for Ford to come up with a derated tune for the 6.7 so I can get more life out of that motor!
If there is a way for me to do a programmed cylinder de-activation to get more fuel economy (technically possible with a newly designed and programmed FICM), I would do that too!
Right now, the back-of-the envelope economy gain from a programmed cylinder deactivation with 4-6-8 arrangement is yielding about a 10 to 15% estimated fuel savings --- nearly worthwhile to try.
I am optimizing for longevity and fuel economy.
To date, I have the miles to prove reliability.
I think I have then answer I need.
I will wait for a reputable independent laboratory with the proper equipment to run actual tests and publish the results before I decide to deviate from the original design.
Install it.
Be an alpha test site.
Be my guest.
So far, people who have tried the 58v mod have pretty mixed results -- ranging from no difference to codes --- separating the ones who just did the voltage and not additional software tuning.
Oh yes, I like my chassis mounted FICM just fine.
And my beast will be running long after many trucks on here are scrapped.
It is orders of magnitude more reliable than the engine mounted part.
Yes... I have a standing request for Ford to come up with a derated tune for the 6.7 so I can get more life out of that motor!
If there is a way for me to do a programmed cylinder de-activation to get more fuel economy (technically possible with a newly designed and programmed FICM), I would do that too!
Right now, the back-of-the envelope economy gain from a programmed cylinder deactivation with 4-6-8 arrangement is yielding about a 10 to 15% estimated fuel savings --- nearly worthwhile to try.
I am optimizing for longevity and fuel economy.
To date, I have the miles to prove reliability.
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Install it.
Be an alpha test site.
Be my guest.
So far, people who have tried the 58v mod have pretty mixed results -- ranging from no difference to codes --- separating the ones who just did the voltage and not additional software tuning.
I like my chassis mounted FICM just fine.
It is orders of magnitude more reliable than the engine mounted part.
Oh... yes... I have a standing request for Ford to come up with a derated tune for the 6.7 so I can get more life out of that motor!
If there is a way for me to do a programmed cylinder de-activation to get more fuel economy (technically possible with a newly designed and programmed FICM), I would do that too!
Right now, the back-of-the envelope economy gain from a programmed cylinder deactivation with 4-6-8 arrangement is yielding about a 10 to 15% estimated fuel savings --- nearly worthwhile to try.
I am optimizing for longevity and fuel economy.
Be an alpha test site.
Be my guest.
So far, people who have tried the 58v mod have pretty mixed results -- ranging from no difference to codes --- separating the ones who just did the voltage and not additional software tuning.
I like my chassis mounted FICM just fine.
It is orders of magnitude more reliable than the engine mounted part.
Oh... yes... I have a standing request for Ford to come up with a derated tune for the 6.7 so I can get more life out of that motor!
If there is a way for me to do a programmed cylinder de-activation to get more fuel economy (technically possible with a newly designed and programmed FICM), I would do that too!
Right now, the back-of-the envelope economy gain from a programmed cylinder deactivation with 4-6-8 arrangement is yielding about a 10 to 15% estimated fuel savings --- nearly worthwhile to try.
I am optimizing for longevity and fuel economy.
Would you like me to email them with all your questions? Or maybe send them this link?
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When questions of technical specifications, engineering and validation turn into religious debates over faith, who to believe, and gospel that is sent by non public email to believers (and not published for the general public)....
I think I have then answer I need.
I will wait for a reputable independent laboratory with the proper equipment to run actual tests and publish the results before I decide to deviate from the original design.
Install it.
Be an alpha test site.
Be my guest.
So far, people who have tried the 58v mod have pretty mixed results -- ranging from no difference to codes --- separating the ones who just did the voltage and not additional software tuning.
Oh yes, I like my chassis mounted FICM just fine.
And my beast will be running long after many trucks on here are scrapped.
It is orders of magnitude more reliable than the engine mounted part.
Yes... I have a standing request for Ford to come up with a derated tune for the 6.7 so I can get more life out of that motor!
If there is a way for me to do a programmed cylinder de-activation to get more fuel economy (technically possible with a newly designed and programmed FICM), I would do that too!
Right now, the back-of-the envelope economy gain from a programmed cylinder deactivation with 4-6-8 arrangement is yielding about a 10 to 15% estimated fuel savings --- nearly worthwhile to try.
I am optimizing for longevity and fuel economy.
To date, I have the miles to prove reliability.
I think I have then answer I need.
I will wait for a reputable independent laboratory with the proper equipment to run actual tests and publish the results before I decide to deviate from the original design.
Install it.
Be an alpha test site.
Be my guest.
So far, people who have tried the 58v mod have pretty mixed results -- ranging from no difference to codes --- separating the ones who just did the voltage and not additional software tuning.
Oh yes, I like my chassis mounted FICM just fine.
And my beast will be running long after many trucks on here are scrapped.
It is orders of magnitude more reliable than the engine mounted part.
Yes... I have a standing request for Ford to come up with a derated tune for the 6.7 so I can get more life out of that motor!
If there is a way for me to do a programmed cylinder de-activation to get more fuel economy (technically possible with a newly designed and programmed FICM), I would do that too!
Right now, the back-of-the envelope economy gain from a programmed cylinder deactivation with 4-6-8 arrangement is yielding about a 10 to 15% estimated fuel savings --- nearly worthwhile to try.
I am optimizing for longevity and fuel economy.
To date, I have the miles to prove reliability.
What do you suggest? Replace it with a Reman from Ford?
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Partsguyed.com will give you a great deal via mail order.
I will not touch any other reman as there is no certainty as to what parts they used for the reman, what they actually did, and so on.
If you want to play safe and cheap, get a Factory (not repaired) FICM off a E van wreck --- which has the device mounted on the chassis and not on the engine, and is known to be likely trouble free.
If you are fidgety and can't resist tinkering and being cheap, get the E van part, reflow the solder and restake it yourself.
If you like to push 58v off parts designed for 20% less voltage, you are on your own.
Since 58V is so good, I would like to try 100V!
Imagine... easier starts, better fuel economy....
The science that needs to be done (and is not being done) is the impact of higher voltages on the insulation / dielectrics from FICM onwards, with the weakest point likely to be the enamel on the coils.
More science on the effect of 20% or more higher peak / RMS energy through the parts, thermal overload, burn out etc.
I have yet to see a definitive test done under controlled conditions as to what is the impact of higher voltage (and current) and higher energy tossed at the coils, and what it means.
At the same time, higher velocities of the valve... and its impact on friction / wear.
Notice that those who flog the 58V mention absolutely nothing nor warrant the reliability of the injectors (@$200 or more a piece to replace PLUS labor), wiring, etc. downstream of their "upgraded" "hot" part.
The reason is simple: none of them have (or is willing to publish) the technical data to prove it is safe and reliable.
If they are so sure of themselves.... issue a full warranty for the downstream parts.
Where is the technical data / validation data for the mod?
Why is it not published?
What is so secret?
Unless they have something to hide, or they do not have the data at all... and they are shooting blind.. relying on their customers for alpha and beta tests.