got a towing question about my f350
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got a towing question about my f350
i have a 1990 f350 dually, i have a question about towing.
i am looking to use my truck to tow my subaru to rallycross's and my bombardier 2 seater traxter max.
i know i can get a 26-28' enclosed trailer, and put both of them in it.
but could i put a 700 lb fourwheeler in the back of the truck and tow a trailer and car that are about 4000 lbs????
i am looking to use my truck to tow my subaru to rallycross's and my bombardier 2 seater traxter max.
i know i can get a 26-28' enclosed trailer, and put both of them in it.
but could i put a 700 lb fourwheeler in the back of the truck and tow a trailer and car that are about 4000 lbs????
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02-03-2011, 09:19 PM
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Yep.
4k pound trailer = 400 pound tongue weight.
400 pound tongue weight + 700 pound 4-wheeler is equivalent to what 1,100 pounds feels like in the bed of the truck.
That's assuming your trailer brakes are working correctly.
You're good to go, enjoy!
If it's an automatic, be sure you do some maintenance on it to keep it up to par.
Flush the fluid, fresh filter.
An external transmission cooler would help prolong the life of your transmission also.
C6 is a 3 speed, E4OD is a 4 speed with Overdrive.
Both are strong transmissions as long as you keep them maintained!
4k pound trailer = 400 pound tongue weight.
400 pound tongue weight + 700 pound 4-wheeler is equivalent to what 1,100 pounds feels like in the bed of the truck.
That's assuming your trailer brakes are working correctly.
You're good to go, enjoy!
If it's an automatic, be sure you do some maintenance on it to keep it up to par.
Flush the fluid, fresh filter.
An external transmission cooler would help prolong the life of your transmission also.
C6 is a 3 speed, E4OD is a 4 speed with Overdrive.
Both are strong transmissions as long as you keep them maintained!
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02-03-2011, 09:31 PM
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02-04-2011, 03:59 PM
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i have a 1990 f350 dually, i have a question about towing.
i am looking to use my truck to tow my subaru to rallycross's and my bombardier 2 seater traxter max.
i know i can get a 26-28' enclosed trailer, and put both of them in it.
but could i put a 700 lb fourwheeler in the back of the truck and tow a trailer and car that are about 4000 lbs????
i am looking to use my truck to tow my subaru to rallycross's and my bombardier 2 seater traxter max.
i know i can get a 26-28' enclosed trailer, and put both of them in it.
but could i put a 700 lb fourwheeler in the back of the truck and tow a trailer and car that are about 4000 lbs????
Don't fool yourself into thinking that everything combined will weigh 4k.
FWIW, I have been looking at a 20' equipment trailer, and the base weight on it is 3300lbs.
I don't know how much your car weighs...but I would prepare yourself for something in the 10k range with the 2-seater and fourwheeler included....
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http://www.haulmark.com/assets/broch...%20carrier.pdf
Haulmark 26' V-Nose 10k GVW car trailer has a curb weight of 4,350
Haulmark 26' V-Nose 7k GVW car trailer has a curb weight of 3,770
Haulmark 26' V-Nose 10k GVW car trailer has a curb weight of 4,350
Haulmark 26' V-Nose 7k GVW car trailer has a curb weight of 3,770
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02-04-2011, 06:58 PM
A 28' enclosed trailer is going to weigh at least 5k alone. Then add the weight of your Subaru, spare parts, tools, fuel, etc....
Don't fool yourself into thinking that everything combined will weigh 4k.
FWIW, I have been looking at a 20' equipment trailer, and the base weight on it is 3300lbs.
I don't know how much your car weighs...but I would prepare yourself for something in the 10k range with the 2-seater and fourwheeler included....
Don't fool yourself into thinking that everything combined will weigh 4k.
FWIW, I have been looking at a 20' equipment trailer, and the base weight on it is 3300lbs.
I don't know how much your car weighs...but I would prepare yourself for something in the 10k range with the 2-seater and fourwheeler included....
The 24' V-nose enclosed trailer that I pull weighs 4,000lbs empty.
The 18' tilt flatbed trailer weighs 2,000lbs empty.
Enclosed trailers are considerably heavier than most people think.
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i think you miss read my message!!
I said i KNOW i can put both the car [3200lbs] and the four wheeler [700lbs] in a 28' enclosed trailer, [tools trailer car and 4 wheeler weighing about 10,000]
OR
can I have the 700lb four wheeler in the back of the truck and tow a trailer and car weighing 4000lbs. by that i meant an OPEN trailer with the car on it.
i do appreciate the info and sorry bout the confusion.
I said i KNOW i can put both the car [3200lbs] and the four wheeler [700lbs] in a 28' enclosed trailer, [tools trailer car and 4 wheeler weighing about 10,000]
OR
can I have the 700lb four wheeler in the back of the truck and tow a trailer and car weighing 4000lbs. by that i meant an OPEN trailer with the car on it.
i do appreciate the info and sorry bout the confusion.
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02-05-2011, 09:45 PM
i think you miss read my message!!
I said i KNOW i can put both the car [3200lbs] and the four wheeler [700lbs] in a 28' enclosed trailer, [tools trailer car and 4 wheeler weighing about 10,000]
OR
can I have the 700lb four wheeler in the back of the truck and tow a trailer and car weighing 4000lbs. by that i meant an OPEN trailer with the car on it.
i do appreciate the info and sorry bout the confusion.
I said i KNOW i can put both the car [3200lbs] and the four wheeler [700lbs] in a 28' enclosed trailer, [tools trailer car and 4 wheeler weighing about 10,000]
OR
can I have the 700lb four wheeler in the back of the truck and tow a trailer and car weighing 4000lbs. by that i meant an OPEN trailer with the car on it.
i do appreciate the info and sorry bout the confusion.
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Is there a formula?
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Sure, but it's a fairly complicated formula if your pickup has single rear wheels (SRW) and you flunked 8th grade algebra.
First, you need to know how much your truck weighs wet and loaded for the road but without the trailer. So load up the wife and kiddies and puppydogs and tools and coolers and campfirewood and generator and whatever else you would haul in the truck. Include the entire hitch. If the 5er or gooseneck hitch is not installed yet, then throw it in the bed for weighing purposes. Then go to a truckstop that has a CAT scale or J scale. Fill the fuel tank(s) to the brim, then weigh the wet and loaded truck including driver and passenger(s).
If your truck has single rear wheels (SRW):
Subtract the weight of the wet and loaded truck from the GVWR of that truck. The difference is your max hitch weight or max kingpin weight.
If the trailer you want to tow is a tag trailer, then divide your max hitch weight by 12 percent. The answer will be the max GVWR of any tag trailer you can tow without being overloaded.
If the trailer you want to tow is a 5er, then divide your max hitch weight by 17 percent. The answer will be the max GVWR of any medium sized and medium priced 5er RV trailer you can probably tow without being overloaded.
If the trailer you want to tow is a gooseneck, then divide your max hitch weight by 20 percent. The answer will be the max GVWR of any medium sized and medium priced gooseneck trailer you can probably tow without being overloaded.
Examples for F-250 pickups:
If your wet and loaded pickup with 8,800 pounds GVWR weighs 7,500 pounds, then your max hitch weight is 1,300 pounds.
1,300 divided by 0.12 = 10,833 lbs. max tag trailer GVWR.
1,300 divided by 0.17 = 7,647 lbs. max 5er RV trailer GVWR.
1,300 divided by 0.2 = 6,500 lbs. max gooseneck horse trailer GVWR.
Those are realistic examples for your '97 CC PSD 4x4 shorty assuming you load it very lightly with tools, passengers, and "stuff".
For normally-loaded '99-up F-250 PSD CrewCab 4x4s, you can forget towing any 5er or gooseneck and not be overloaded. That's why they make F-350s.
If your F-350 pickup has dual rear tires, then it's a completely different formula, because you have plenty of GVWR on the truck:
Subtract the weight of the wet and loaded pickup from the GCWR of the tow vehicle. The difference is the max GVWR of any trailer of any kind you want to hook up. If it's a tag trailer, then this assumes you have a receiver hitch and drawbar rated to tow that much trailer.
If your wet and loaded Dooley with a GCWR of 20,000 lbs. weighs 9,000 lbs., then you can hook up to any trailer with a GVWR of 11,000 pounds or less and not be overloaded.
Perhaps more realistic for a family in a '99-up Dooley CrewCab 4x4 PSD would be a wet and loaded truck weight of 10,000 lbs., leaving 10,000 pounds as the max GVWR of any trailer you want to tow without being overloaded.
So the simple answer to your question is weigh your truck, do the math, then look only at the GVWR of any trailer you're considering. (The trailer's GVWR will be on a certification sticker, probably on the left front corner of a 5er or tag trailer.) If the GVWR of any trailer is too much, then look at smaller trailers. If you can't find an adequate smaller 5er, then limit your looking to tag trailers. If you can't even find an adequate tag trailer within your weight limits, then consider buying more truck before you buy the trailer.
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Is there a formula?
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Sure, but it's a fairly complicated formula if your pickup has single rear wheels (SRW) and you flunked 8th grade algebra.
First, you need to know how much your truck weighs wet and loaded for the road but without the trailer. So load up the wife and kiddies and puppydogs and tools and coolers and campfirewood and generator and whatever else you would haul in the truck. Include the entire hitch. If the 5er or gooseneck hitch is not installed yet, then throw it in the bed for weighing purposes. Then go to a truckstop that has a CAT scale or J scale. Fill the fuel tank(s) to the brim, then weigh the wet and loaded truck including driver and passenger(s).
If your truck has single rear wheels (SRW):
Subtract the weight of the wet and loaded truck from the GVWR of that truck. The difference is your max hitch weight or max kingpin weight.
If the trailer you want to tow is a tag trailer, then divide your max hitch weight by 12 percent. The answer will be the max GVWR of any tag trailer you can tow without being overloaded.
If the trailer you want to tow is a 5er, then divide your max hitch weight by 17 percent. The answer will be the max GVWR of any medium sized and medium priced 5er RV trailer you can probably tow without being overloaded.
If the trailer you want to tow is a gooseneck, then divide your max hitch weight by 20 percent. The answer will be the max GVWR of any medium sized and medium priced gooseneck trailer you can probably tow without being overloaded.
Examples for F-250 pickups:
If your wet and loaded pickup with 8,800 pounds GVWR weighs 7,500 pounds, then your max hitch weight is 1,300 pounds.
1,300 divided by 0.12 = 10,833 lbs. max tag trailer GVWR.
1,300 divided by 0.17 = 7,647 lbs. max 5er RV trailer GVWR.
1,300 divided by 0.2 = 6,500 lbs. max gooseneck horse trailer GVWR.
Those are realistic examples for your '97 CC PSD 4x4 shorty assuming you load it very lightly with tools, passengers, and "stuff".
For normally-loaded '99-up F-250 PSD CrewCab 4x4s, you can forget towing any 5er or gooseneck and not be overloaded. That's why they make F-350s.
If your F-350 pickup has dual rear tires, then it's a completely different formula, because you have plenty of GVWR on the truck:
Subtract the weight of the wet and loaded pickup from the GCWR of the tow vehicle. The difference is the max GVWR of any trailer of any kind you want to hook up. If it's a tag trailer, then this assumes you have a receiver hitch and drawbar rated to tow that much trailer.
If your wet and loaded Dooley with a GCWR of 20,000 lbs. weighs 9,000 lbs., then you can hook up to any trailer with a GVWR of 11,000 pounds or less and not be overloaded.
Perhaps more realistic for a family in a '99-up Dooley CrewCab 4x4 PSD would be a wet and loaded truck weight of 10,000 lbs., leaving 10,000 pounds as the max GVWR of any trailer you want to tow without being overloaded.
So the simple answer to your question is weigh your truck, do the math, then look only at the GVWR of any trailer you're considering. (The trailer's GVWR will be on a certification sticker, probably on the left front corner of a 5er or tag trailer.) If the GVWR of any trailer is too much, then look at smaller trailers. If you can't find an adequate smaller 5er, then limit your looking to tag trailers. If you can't even find an adequate tag trailer within your weight limits, then consider buying more truck before you buy the trailer.
This is right from the Ford Recreational vehicle and trailer towing guide 1992-3....
The GCWR of the Fseries trucks towing a frame hitched trailer.
F series with 7.3 and automatic is:
355....12000lbs
410....17000lbs
F series with 7.3 and manual is:
355....12000lbs
410....14000lbs
The CGWR of the Fseries trucks towing a Fifth wheel trailer.
F series with 7.3 automatic is:
355....12000lbs
410....17000lbs
513....18000lbs
Fseries with 7.3 and manual is:
355....12000lbs
410....14000lbs
513....17000lbs
The GCWR of the Fseries trucks towing a frame hitched trailer.
F series with 7.3 and automatic is:
355....12000lbs
410....17000lbs
F series with 7.3 and manual is:
355....12000lbs
410....14000lbs
The CGWR of the Fseries trucks towing a Fifth wheel trailer.
F series with 7.3 automatic is:
355....12000lbs
410....17000lbs
513....18000lbs
Fseries with 7.3 and manual is:
355....12000lbs
410....14000lbs
513....17000lbs
http://www.drivetrain.com/parts_cata...s_it_posi.html
that should get ya going.
four wheeler [700lbs]
so the open trailer must = 800lbs
as you can see,hauling around 4700 lbs is child's play.
some good 'ol boys put more than that on the back of these trucks alone.
what you are wondering is if the the weight of the ATV along with the tongue weight of the open 800 lb trailer might put you over the GVWR of that f350 dually.not likely a concern.
happy towing "BART"
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02-06-2011, 08:47 AM
i think you miss read my message!!
I said i KNOW i can put both the car [3200lbs] and the four wheeler [700lbs] in a 28' enclosed trailer, [tools trailer car and 4 wheeler weighing about 10,000]
OR
can I have the 700lb four wheeler in the back of the truck and tow a trailer and car weighing 4000lbs. by that i meant an OPEN trailer with the car on it.
i do appreciate the info and sorry bout the confusion.
I said i KNOW i can put both the car [3200lbs] and the four wheeler [700lbs] in a 28' enclosed trailer, [tools trailer car and 4 wheeler weighing about 10,000]
OR
can I have the 700lb four wheeler in the back of the truck and tow a trailer and car weighing 4000lbs. by that i meant an OPEN trailer with the car on it.
i do appreciate the info and sorry bout the confusion.
