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Old 02-03-2011, 11:31 AM
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I respect all of your opinions but ultimately its my truck to build to my personal taste. I would never criticize someone for wanting to use a Chevy drive train or a jag front end even though I would never consider such swaps. In my eyes like Mervy and others have said my preference to keep my ford, ford.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. IMHO, I like doing things the easy way so if that means using non-Ford brake parts so be it. I am building my second Bonus Built truck. Went with a 350/350 on the first one and going 302/C4 on the second. So far, the 302/C4 has been more difficult and expensive than the 350/350. It makes me wonder why I'm doing it just to have a Ford in a Ford....
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I respect all of your opinions but ultimately its my truck to build to my personal taste. I would never criticize someone for wanting to use a Chevy drive train or a jag front end even though I would never consider such swaps. In my eyes like Mervy and others have said my preference to keep my ford, ford.
Thats cool - I hope you get to drive it like you want it some day.
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Swapping parts between VW, Porsche and Audi is a little like swapping parts from Buick, Olds and Pontiac. They are all made by the same company, VW. It's a lot less likely parts from your Saab will interchange with a BMW or an MG.


The problem with using Ford calipers is the design of the mounting isn't swap freindly. They're large and bulky, and in many older applications it's part of the spindle which can't be used.




GM calipers are used by the aftermarket because of the ease and simplicity of the attachment. And they work good. They can be adapted by means of a simple bracket bolted to the spindle.



My understanding is the 5 on 5 1/2 rotors used in the straight axle conversion are Ford truck parts from the 70's.


Why couldn't you do something similar with new Mustang parts? New cars use a disk brake hat without the integral hub like it used to be.

All you have to do is turn down your drum brake hub to fit inside the disk brake hat, and fab up a couple of caliper brackets. Then you'll have an all Ford disk brake kit. Camaros use a similar set-up to put C-5 and C-6 brakes on early models. The only problem is you will have to run 16-18 inch rims depending on what model you snag your brakes from.
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Why couldn't you do something similar with new Mustang parts? New cars use a disk brake hat without the integral hub like it used to be.

All you have to do is turn down your drum brake hub to fit inside the disk brake hat, and fab up a couple of caliper brackets. Then you'll have an all Ford disk brake kit. Camaros use a similar set-up to put C-5 and C-6 brakes on early models. The only problem is you will have to run 16-18 inch rims depending on what model you snag your brakes from.
Yep you could but the issue is if tazcliff wants to keep the stock bolt pattern for the truck then the Mustang rotor won't fit. The trucks bolt pattern is 5x 5 1/2". While the Mustangs is 5x 4 1/2". If he wanted to change to the car bolt pattern I suppose the sock hubs might be able to be redrilled to the smaller pattern. But that would be a job for a machine shop.

What I think would be possible would be to run a 73-79 F150 2wd front hub/rotor assemblies. Then adapt the late model Mustang PBR front calipers by building some custom mounting brackets. You would have to do some searching/checking to make sure the F150 rotor width will work with the PBR calipers.


The Mustang PBR calipers mount with two bolts on a flat surface. So it should be pretty easy to make up a bracket to adapt them to the spindles.

Here's a break down pic.



Here's a pic of a pair of the calipers( the owner polished them ) .



I can't see any reason this wouldn't be doable. You would need the spindle adapters to run the F150 rotors though.
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Yep you could but the issue is if tazcliff wants to keep the stock bolt pattern for the truck then the Mustang rotor won't fit. The trucks bolt pattern is 5x 5 1/2". While the Mustangs is 5x 4 1/2". If he wanted to change to the car bolt pattern I suppose the sock hubs might be able to be redrilled to the smaller pattern. But that would be a job for a machine shop.

What I think would be possible would be to run a 73-79 F150 2wd front hub/rotor assemblies. Then adapt the late model Mustang PBR front calipers by building some custom mounting brackets. You would have to do some searching/checking to make sure the F150 rotor width will work with the PBR calipers.

The Mustang PBR calipers mount with two bolts on a flat surface. So it should be pretty easy to make up a bracket to adapt them to the spindles.

Here's a break down pic.



Here's a pic of a pair of the calipers( the owner polished them ) .



I can't see any reason this wouldn't be doable. You would need the spindle adapters to run the F150 rotors though.


It's important to match the size of the caliper and rotor...
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Also the offset of the wheels to the rotor/caliper width
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It's important to match the size of the caliper and rotor...
You mean like those aftermarkets kits so carefully match up the gm intermediate calipers with volare and F150 rotors? You know they both use the same rotors. But I guess the only difference between a camaro, volare and F150 rotor must be the bolt pattern.


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Also the offset of the wheels to the rotor/caliper width
You have to do that whenever you are changing to different brakes. You have to check the back spacing and rim diameter.
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You mean like those aftermarkets kits so carefully match up the gm intermediate calipers with volare and F150 rotors? You know they both use the same rotors. But I guess the only difference between a camaro, volare and F150 rotor must be the bolt pattern..
Sorry I'm talking about the diameter of the Rotor and the radius of the centerpoint of the pistons of the caliper...
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Sorry I'm talking about the diameter of the Rotor and the radius of the centerpoint of the pistons of the caliper...
I know.
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Lots of options to consider
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Yep and if you don't want aluminum calipers 99+ E350 SRW vans have a similar set up on the rear diff but they are cast iron. There are plenty of Ford options you just have to do a little digging and some thinking and maybe a little fabricating.
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Yep and if you don't want aluminum calipers 99+ E350 SRW vans have a similar set up on the rear diff but they are cast iron. There are plenty of Ford options you just have to do a little digging and some thinking and maybe a little fabricating.
Yes I do I was just hoping there was something put together already, good thing I have been around the business for a few years I'm sure I will come up with something even if I have to make my own brackets.
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Yes I do I was just hoping there was something put together already, good thing I have been around the business for a few years I'm sure I will come up with something even if I have to make my own brackets.
A complete kit would have been nice. What I was going to do on mine was buy the basic disc brake bracket kit to get the required adapters for the F100 rotors. Pick up the rotors, some Ford calipers and fabricate new mounting brackets to mount the calipers.

The mounting brackets should be pretty simple to make! The caliper cages mount on a flat surface. So a mounting plate similar to what the current aftermarket kits use is what would be required. You might need to also make up a spacer block for the mounting plate. It depends on how the rotor & caliper are situated compared to the spindle.

Here's another caliper choice. Front calipers off a 2007 Ford 500. Priced right too.

Ford Five Hundred Brake Caliper - Akebono, Cardone, OEQ, PBR - 2007, 2006, 2005
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If someone was to figure out how to fab the adapter for an all ford unit I would DEFINITELY buy it and it would probably be pretty easy to replicate... Just sayin...
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