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Old 02-02-2011, 10:12 PM
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Okay, the moog is the aftermarket stabilizer that really doesn't work very well. The bracket that is supposed to be stationary bolts to the moving arm that holds the passenger front wheel. As you drive and the suspension moves it moves the solid end of the stabilizer compromising its effectiveness. When you hit a bump while turning I believe it actually moves the steering, and when you go over a dip it can move the steering too becuase its mounted on a moving part.
the factory ford steering stabilizer is mounted to the chassis of the van on the passenger side in line with the drag link bar that connects the two front wheels. It is stationary all the time in relation to the drag link and offers a very stable non moving point to eliminate sway of the drag link back and forth.
O Reilly sells a replacement oem ford stabilizer to fit the factory oem brackets that hold the stabilizer on a E350 dual rear wheel ambulance. This is a factory item. The brackets that hold this stabilizer are oem and made only by Ford. The Monroe replacement fits perfectly on the factory brackets, you have to have the factory brackets, one for the chassis end and one for the drag link to clamp the other end on to the drag link. This stops excessive movement of the drag link which is an econoline nightmare on some vans.
The only reason I didn't buy the Ford stabilizer itself is because it costs a lot of money and Monroe makes the same thing for $34. I hope this clarifies it.
That moog one works minimally and is nothing compared to the factory set up.
I just took the moog off one of my vans and it still steered like a pig and wandered horribly with new ball joints and other assorted new parts. The good front end man I use said there was nothing worn or wrong with the front end, but it wandered to where my wife would not drive it. I installed the oem E350 stabilizer set up I am talking about and immediately got a new van. It drives like a normal vehicle and does not wander, wind doesn't effect it, and I can stay in my lane all the time. It baffled me that F350's, and other one tons all have steering stabilzers but the econolines come from the factory without one, so I decided to try this different approach and it works.

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Old 02-02-2011, 10:28 PM
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I am going to try to work out how to get photos onto this site, never done it before and I am sure that would help everyone, might take me a couple of days to get that happening, in the mean time look under the front of any dual rear wheel econoline ambulance you see. AE
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Old 02-02-2011, 10:55 PM
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orielly auto parts has the Moog stabilizer which comes with the brackets, bolts, and stabilizer. Moog stuff is typically very high quality, I work at orielly's on the weekends and I'm going to look into what I can get it for at store cost. It runs 154.99, which is a little steep but it is nice just to go in and pick it up and have everything.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink

looks like a very quality kit, I think the bolt for the chassis go all the way through the frame rail and the 4 hole plate acts as a washer on top of the frame. I imagine the moog stabilizer is probably stiffer also, I'll order both in and compare them. suprising that Ford can beat oreilly's prices.

I just read your post that the moog bolts to the suspension arm, after I typed this of coarse... is this the same one your talking about? Part # SSD121
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:04 PM
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after reading your whole post I retract my previous post, sorry for the mix-up, dang internet everything happens so fast
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Here's more info and part numbers..........repeating some.......

F2UZ-3E652A Bracket $53.90 (OEM List Price)
F2UZ-3E652B Bracket $80.22
F7UZ-3E651AB Damper $60.62 (NAPA Monroe # SC2955 #35.59)
F2UZ-3W652A U Bolts $15.00 (2 req'd @ $15.00 ea)

Comparing OEM prices online vs local I just about break even so will suppor the local guys. I do receive a discount from the local stealerships in general because I'm a business but most of us probably already have a friend who'll allow us their discounts---always good to ask around. If not Ed The Parts Guy is one alternative for OEM--there are others too I'm sure.

It should be noted several of these parts also fit the F-Series so some items might actually be in stock---ordering takes about 2 days max since Ford has a very good parts distribution system these days.

I'm anxious to see photos of the OEM system installed----would be very helpful and interesting too.

Hope this helps just a bit.
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:37 AM
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You do not need the U bolts, Yes they are $30. I ordered them because the parts man told me I needed them. When I opened the box for the drag link bracket it had the U bolts and the nuts in the box.
The only thing that bracket lacks is a M12x1.75 nut to hold the stabilizer on.
There is not another brand of stabilizer that uses the Ford design. As I said I have tried several different ones over the 800,000 miles I have driven econolines and they don't work as well as the Ford design.
I found the moog gave me an unnatural steering reaction over bumps which only accomplished a different problem than I was having before I put it on.
With the Ford its a completely different vehicle now.

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Old 02-03-2011, 02:51 PM
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Got some pics!

I hope they work for everyone. I tried to get one of the bracket and how it attaches to the chassis
One of the whole set up including the stabilizer
Enjoy! Below on the next post
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Old 02-03-2011, 02:53 PM
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Andrew these photos show the whole story very very well---thanks for posting them!

I looking for the existing holes and the oblong one opposite--they're there! I can see you point about the chassis bracket being gold plated---not much for $80 list!

Right after my Bilstein's are installed and run in I'll be strongly considering this addition as well.

Thanks again for your post Andrew!
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Andrew, thanks so much for the knowledge, part numbers and picture help!!! If the net result is steering like a min-van I'll buy you dinner anywhere you want, in Southern CA.
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Will all this stuff work for an '89 E-150?
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I have no idea, you'll have to check part numbers at Ford. It does work on 1992 and up econolines 150 and 350, I have done it but check the #'s
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See if the 89 dual rear wheel ambulance had a steering stabilizer on it, Ford can tell you and compare the #'s

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Andrew - Which would you recommend I do first - the steering stabilizer, Bilstein shocks, or sway bars?

This is a great thread with tons of useful information. Thanks.
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Old 02-04-2011, 03:16 PM
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Myself I would do the steering stabilizer first because of how much it affects the way the van drives, it will eliminate the possibility that something else is wrong. If something else is wrong it will still be there, ball joints etc will still misbehave. But if there is nothing wrong with all the other components the steering stabilizer will make that van amazing. I personally like the ride of the 1/2 ton vans, I have Monroe Reflex on them, they ride like a luxury car, but they steer like pigs, exhausting to drive long distances, constant corrections all the time. I just drove 40 miles in my 1/2 ton with the ford factory stabilizer on twisty roads and bumpy too. This van drives like a Ford van should and I am going to keep this thing another 10 years now because the one major gripe I have had with the 1/2 tons is fixed. I wonder how many vans could have been sold, or would have been kept if Ford had put this on the vans at the assembly line for an extra $30 to them. It might have made them a lot more money than they saved.
I have not tried a sway bar that would be my last install. The Monroe Reflex have served me well on the 1/2 ton vans, I got them buy 3 get one free sale and so they were reasonably priced. I won't be putting Bilsteins on my 1/2 ton vans.
I got 200,000 miles out of my origional factory shocks on the E350 and they still had gas in them and had just started to ride harder than normal. Ford oem shocks are about $66 on the internet sites, Bilsteins are $79 each. I doubt either will out last the other. For control - weight carrying and towing I prefer the Ford factory shocks. For comfort on good roads I reckon the Bilsteins win without heavy loads.
Maybe someone who has dealt with heavy loads and the Bilsteins can help us here on an opinion AE
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Gonna look into getting one myself, so I guess I'll call the junkyard for one from an ambulance, I don't like the aftermarket when it comes to brackets, I've had many 4x4's.
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