f-150 Light Duty v6 Diesel?
#31
First off, I didn't fudge numbers. There's a bigger difference between the city and highway mpg on the diesesl so it was a fair comparison. But yes I could have taken an average. I feel like most people drive in the city which is why I chose lower numbers. I also did not know the ecoboost is a 10,000 mile oil change so thanks for pointing that out. Second, did you not read the whole thread? I specifically mentioned the fact that "a diesel costs more initially"...twice actually. My point was that people think since the fuel is more expensive, it's a waste of money when it really comes out close to the same.
#32
I have been following the Ford light-duty diesel craze over the past few years and while I do understand the initial cost of the diesel engine is greater than the gas engine, the diesel is a far better choice for the long term. As a civil engineer, I tend to crunch numbers out of habit, so being curious, I did some simple math to compare costs. Bear with me...
According to ford's website, the 2011 f150 4x4 gets 16city/21hwy mpg. While I don't have a reference for the articles, I have seen multiple times where they claim the light duty diesel will give a 20% increase in fuel economy. This puts the diesel getting 19.2city/25.2hwy mpg. I live in north Texas where current fuel prices are $2.90 for gas and $3.20 for diesel. Considering those prices, let's compare over a 60,000 mile period with slightly above the city mileage.
Gas f150 - Using 17 mpg...
3530 gallons used = $10,237
Oil change every 3000 miles, roughly $40 per visit = $800
Total cost over 60,000 miles = $11, 037
Diesel f150 - Using 21 mpg...
2858 gallons used = $9,145
Oil change every 10,000 miles, roughly $100 per visit = $600
Emissions additives, roughly $100 per oil change = $600
Total cost over 60,000 miles = $10,345
According to ford's website, the 2011 f150 4x4 gets 16city/21hwy mpg. While I don't have a reference for the articles, I have seen multiple times where they claim the light duty diesel will give a 20% increase in fuel economy. This puts the diesel getting 19.2city/25.2hwy mpg. I live in north Texas where current fuel prices are $2.90 for gas and $3.20 for diesel. Considering those prices, let's compare over a 60,000 mile period with slightly above the city mileage.
Gas f150 - Using 17 mpg...
3530 gallons used = $10,237
Oil change every 3000 miles, roughly $40 per visit = $800
Total cost over 60,000 miles = $11, 037
Diesel f150 - Using 21 mpg...
2858 gallons used = $9,145
Oil change every 10,000 miles, roughly $100 per visit = $600
Emissions additives, roughly $100 per oil change = $600
Total cost over 60,000 miles = $10,345
#33
Back when the 7.3L was still roaming the country, there was a significant difference in MPG's. That difference has changed over the last 8-10 years. Diesels are strangled right now like gassers were in the late 70's and early 80's. Just like the gassers, the car makers will figure out how to make them breathe, harness and get the expected economy that they once did.
Right now the ecoboost is a $1750 increase over the base 3.7L engine. I would expect that a small diesel would be an additional 3K-4K over the ecoboost.
The 6.7L seems to get fairly good mpg's but at the expense of the rear axle gearing. 3.31.1 seems to be the norm. This engine carries and $8000 premium over the 6.2L.
Until things change in the light truck diesel world, ie. cheaper to purchase, own and operate, I'll have no interest in owning one. But, that's just me.
Right now the ecoboost is a $1750 increase over the base 3.7L engine. I would expect that a small diesel would be an additional 3K-4K over the ecoboost.
The 6.7L seems to get fairly good mpg's but at the expense of the rear axle gearing. 3.31.1 seems to be the norm. This engine carries and $8000 premium over the 6.2L.
Until things change in the light truck diesel world, ie. cheaper to purchase, own and operate, I'll have no interest in owning one. But, that's just me.
#35
I would never buy a light duty diesel... even at the above calculations the payoff would not break even until 300k miles, about 200k miles longer than most new truck buyers keep their vehicles.
I drive very little, 5k or so per year and live in a climate that does not befriend diesels (it was -43 here the other morning). Gas engines for me!
I drive very little, 5k or so per year and live in a climate that does not befriend diesels (it was -43 here the other morning). Gas engines for me!
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