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Old 01-19-2011, 10:55 AM
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YouTube - Ethanol May Pose Problem For Older Vehicles

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Ethanol wrecks snow blower carbs too.Every year I have 1 or more family members with carb problems.
I work on all my extended and in-law family's stuff and over the past 30 years, I have not noticed any major increase in carb-related problems during the phase-in of Ethanol.

And we here on Long Island have been running that stuff year-round for a long time. Fuel tanks are clean, fuel filters are normal, you name it.

I would be more willing to blame crappy gas refining and/or storage than anything else.

But I digress. Let's not get this into an Ethanol bashing argument.
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The two instancess we read here both involved cold weather and heavy loads. This may not have happened in the summer when air is less dence. I would definitly be cautious in the future with heavy loads at higher rpm without better programming or premium gas.
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OK, I made it over to the dealer today. The mechanic came over and discussed the issues with me. The Bosch +4 did fail but not in the way I saw on other Internet sites. In my case the electrodes did NOT come off, the electrode and insulator did. It seems like a very tiny amount of debris but this is what it did:
Landed on the valve seat
Prevented the valve from closing
Piston smacked the valve
Results
Valve seat smashed
valve ruined
piston ruined
rod bent

Looking at the engine torn down I asked if I bought a set of headers would they install them? The service writer said they sell Gibson and it would be $642 installed including Tax and labor.
What do you guys think about Gibson headers?
Michael
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The two instancess we read here both involved cold weather and heavy loads. This may not have happened in the summer when air is less dence. I would definitly be cautious in the future with heavy loads at higher rpm without better programming or premium gas.
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Absolutely, I have pulled long grades in 90-115║ weather at high RPMs many times. You can bet I will have a 5 Star Tuner on it before I tow again. And I will probably run at least mid-grade.
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Thanks for all the good info guys. I too will be running the tuner and premium gas from here on out.
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After reading this thread I can't help but think this engine failure was due to a faulty plug. I know its impossible to prove but I have seen it more than a few times.
When I was an apprentice back in the "olde" days if I so much as dropped a plug out of the package onto the metal work bench the journeyman I was under would tell me to toss it and go get another. GM would not pay for plugs coming apart.
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The Bosch +4 did fail but not in the way I saw on other Internet sites. In my case the electrodes did NOT come off, the electrode and insulator did. Michael
Wow, that sounds really stupid when you say it out loud. What I meant was the four metal pieces didn't come off, the center electrode was burned back and the ceramic insulator was gone.

I have the plug in my hand, I will try to take some pictures and post them.
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OK, I made it over to the dealer today. The mechanic came over and discussed the issues with me. The Bosch +4 did fail but not in the way I saw on other Internet sites. In my case the electrodes did NOT come off, the electrode and insulator did. It seems like a very tiny amount of debris but this is what it did:
Landed on the valve seat
Prevented the valve from closing
Piston smacked the valve
Results
Valve seat smashed
valve ruined
piston ruined
rod bent

Looking at the engine torn down I asked if I bought a set of headers would they install them? The service writer said they sell Gibson and it would be $642 installed including Tax and labor.
What do you guys think about Gibson headers?
Michael
Sounds like you have a legit claim with Bosch regarding their garbage plug that ruined your engine. Document everyting, save receipts and take pics. It will be a pain but I would go after Bosch.

Gibson seems to make a quality header. The Gibsons are short tube headers and are much better than the stock manifolds however they will not yield as much power as a set of long tubes from Banks or Thorley. The stock Y-pipe is restrictive and should be replaced also, at least with an SPD unit.
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I blame the gas. Ethanol=Water. Water burns lean and the corosion and sludge it creats clogs fuel systems. It's a bigger problem on vehicles that don't get fresh gas every week. I'm with the guys that sugest the whole engine with the warrenty and while we are spending your money we want to see the Gibson headers too.
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Gibson seems to make a quality header. The Gibsons are short tube headers and are much better than the stock manifolds however they will not yield as much power as a set of long tubes from Banks or Thorley. The stock Y-pipe is restrictive and should be replaced also, at least with an SPD unit.[/quote]

DKF,
I read the long thread on the 5 star tune on a '99 v10 last night. I see reference to SPD a lot. Can you explain what that is? I do plan to order the tuner\Y pipe combo from Mike as soon as I get the truck back.
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I blame the gas. Ethanol=Water. Water burns lean and the corosion and sludge it creats clogs fuel systems. It's a bigger problem on vehicles that don't get fresh gas every week. I'm with the guys that sugest the whole engine with the warrenty and while we are spending your money we want to see the Gibson headers too.
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Good point. This is my tow truck and is only driven when I go camping. I had been working in Europe and hadn't driven it since last October. I had let it sit with about a 1/4 tank of gas. We have had a lot of temperature changes in CA lately (mid 30's to mid 80's) and a years worth of rain the week before this happened. I could have had a lot of water from condensation in the tank. I think the perfect storm of low temp, Bosch plug, heavy load, big hill, old gas and being too dumb to let the diesel I was following go ahead did me in.

As long as you are spending my money I think I deserve those SSBC 8 piston brake calipers also!
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The problem becomes clearer - I suspect that you might have developed some corrosion on a wear surface because of the extended no-start time, and moisture. Is it stored outside? What oil do you use? Did you change it before and/or after this extended no-start time?
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The problem becomes clearer - I suspect that you might have developed some corrosion on a wear surface because of the extended no-start time, and moisture. Is it stored outside? What oil do you use? Did you change it before and/or after this extended no-start time?
It is stored outside. I use Rotella T synthetic with Fram TG2 filters. I did an oil change right before the trip. The mileage was only 3100 but it had been 12 months since the last change. I didn't notice any moisture in the oil but I can't say I looked too closely. I use the Fram SureDrain that screws permanently into the pan and then you screw a fitting with a hose on it. The oil slowly drains and you don't have to worry about missing the tub.

Amazon.com: Fram SD4 SureDrain Fast Access Oil Change Drain Plug System: Automotive

I keep a float charger on it and it always fires right up. But with perfect 20/20 hindsight I should probably fire it up every two weeks when I check the trailer batteries for water level and let it warm up and cook off any moisture.
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