Which is better the Adrenaline or Stealth HPOP?
#31
01-12-2011, 12:34 AM
Riffraff Diesel: Terminator Engineering
joey is the master of dual pumps.
some other people have copied him.
As you can see TE modded 17. I hope I'm reading it right.
but it says TE, so i'm guessing its a Modded 17. i'll ahve to have clay fix that.
either way. 500 for a new 17 modded or not.
If its modded. **** yeah.
joey is the master of dual pumps.
some other people have copied him.
As you can see TE modded 17. I hope I'm reading it right.
but it says TE, so i'm guessing its a Modded 17. i'll ahve to have clay fix that.
either way. 500 for a new 17 modded or not.
If its modded. **** yeah.
#32
01-12-2011, 12:38 AM
oh.
Let me explain the 2 grand dual pump setup.
you are buying 2 new bosh pumps.
They are being modified just like the modded 17's get modified.
Then he goes over to the other machines and makes the parts to couple them up, and does all sorts of other things and assembles them.
They have a warranty as well.
I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe joeys warranty is lifetime.
Dont quote me on that though.
I looked closer at the bosh link. 599 for the modded 17 from clay.
499 for just a new 17 from clay.
Whats the adrenalin.... 560?
560 dollars for a used parts pump?
You can get a new one for a few dollars more that will out flow it.
You do the math there....
Let me explain the 2 grand dual pump setup.
you are buying 2 new bosh pumps.
They are being modified just like the modded 17's get modified.
Then he goes over to the other machines and makes the parts to couple them up, and does all sorts of other things and assembles them.
They have a warranty as well.
I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe joeys warranty is lifetime.
Dont quote me on that though.
I looked closer at the bosh link. 599 for the modded 17 from clay.
499 for just a new 17 from clay.
Whats the adrenalin.... 560?
560 dollars for a used parts pump?
You can get a new one for a few dollars more that will out flow it.
You do the math there....
#33
01-12-2011, 12:45 AM
The Terminator HPOS Carries a LIFETIME WARRANTY!
This warranty covers the parts and workmanship of the pre-assembled system from TE
Warranty does not cover the pumps themselves as they are a factory part and not manufactured by TE
Any tampering with the assembled unit will VOID this warranty completely
What does this mean?
This means Terminator offers you a lifetime warranty because we are confident that our system is the best on the market and we want to prove it.
Terminator Engineering can offer you a lifetime warranty because we use the best materials on the market and our machine and assembly work is held to exacting quality standards. If it's not perfect, it doesn't leave the shop.
You can rest assured that you have the best, most reliable system possible, and that if anything does happen Terminator will be there to take care of it.
That's performance with peace of mind!
This warranty covers the parts and workmanship of the pre-assembled system from TE
Warranty does not cover the pumps themselves as they are a factory part and not manufactured by TE
Any tampering with the assembled unit will VOID this warranty completely
What does this mean?
This means Terminator offers you a lifetime warranty because we are confident that our system is the best on the market and we want to prove it.
Terminator Engineering can offer you a lifetime warranty because we use the best materials on the market and our machine and assembly work is held to exacting quality standards. If it's not perfect, it doesn't leave the shop.
You can rest assured that you have the best, most reliable system possible, and that if anything does happen Terminator will be there to take care of it.
That's performance with peace of mind!
sorry mines a bit off from what his says
He's got the used pump price first then shows you the upgrades when you get into the links.
so 2k for your pumps modified to duals.
or 2500 for 2 new pumps.
and yes, he knows if you tampered with the pumps.
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01-12-2011, 01:30 AM
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clays pricing threw me for a loop.
sorry mines a bit off from what his says
He's got the used pump price first then shows you the upgrades when you get into the links.
so 2k for your pumps modified to duals.
or 2500 for 2 new pumps.
and yes, he knows if you tampered with the pumps.
sorry mines a bit off from what his says
He's got the used pump price first then shows you the upgrades when you get into the links.
so 2k for your pumps modified to duals.
or 2500 for 2 new pumps.
and yes, he knows if you tampered with the pumps.
#35
01-12-2011, 06:26 AM
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Hey Blake, I changed to a stock 17 first after I did all my other mods and it did the trick, stopped my cel from coming on. I then got a great deal on another 17 so I sent it to joey and had him mod it and put it in. It ran even better, I then sold my stock 17 to someone on here. Great price from joey and it will run two's fine too. That's what travis has.
If you want to know the differences, as to what joey does, contact him, he's a great guy to work with. I don't know for sure...
If you want to know the differences, as to what joey does, contact him, he's a great guy to work with. I don't know for sure...
#36
01-12-2011, 09:26 AM
Hotshot
On edit... you have a 95, so you'd have to send Joey your 15° pump and have him put the modded 17° guts in the 15° housing if you want the truck to start consistently (the anti-drainback feature is different on the 94.5-95 trucks). Your best bet is to send Joey an email and see what he can do for you. Not trying to take business away from Clay, I'm sure he could take care of it to but it's going to be a little messier than dealing straight with Joey.
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01-12-2011, 10:26 AM
#38
01-12-2011, 01:03 PM
Laughing Gas
Duals is the only way to go if you want power.
it's all about volume, not massive pressure.
True to a point, big injectors need big oil. But Dual Termmy's are not going to make a difference with stock or small injectors.
here is the best way to settle this argument.
You can order a BRAND NEW modded 17 from Joey (terminator engineering)
Or you can buy an adrenalin with a 19 degree swash plate and mix-matched used parts.
The adrenalin flows less than a modded 17 and only a few percent more than a brand new un-modded 17.
How do you know this? Have you flow tested all three pumps? I've been looking for flow test results for a while... all I've found is opinions.
And the best part, they are within 50 dollars of each other.
I wonder why buying used parts is so expensive?
I'd go with joey's NEW pump.
The swash plate idea was tried years ago, and failed.
If you want consistent big power, then go for duals.
I'm going for duals. Go big or go home. haha.
it's all about volume, not massive pressure.
True to a point, big injectors need big oil. But Dual Termmy's are not going to make a difference with stock or small injectors.
here is the best way to settle this argument.
You can order a BRAND NEW modded 17 from Joey (terminator engineering)
Or you can buy an adrenalin with a 19 degree swash plate and mix-matched used parts.
The adrenalin flows less than a modded 17 and only a few percent more than a brand new un-modded 17.
How do you know this? Have you flow tested all three pumps? I've been looking for flow test results for a while... all I've found is opinions.
And the best part, they are within 50 dollars of each other.
I wonder why buying used parts is so expensive?
I'd go with joey's NEW pump.
The swash plate idea was tried years ago, and failed.
If you want consistent big power, then go for duals.
I'm going for duals. Go big or go home. haha.
#39
01-12-2011, 01:06 PM
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Joey owns Terminator Engineering. He's been building HPOP systems for a long time. Good guy with good pumps!
He was working on offering modded 15* pumps, but last time I checked with him ( about 6 months ago) they were not in production yet...
He was working on offering modded 15* pumps, but last time I checked with him ( about 6 months ago) they were not in production yet...
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01-12-2011, 01:09 PM
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#41
01-12-2011, 01:13 PM
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Craig- actually if you ask Joey about duals on a stock truck he will tell you that it makes a big difference in response. It's about volume, not pressure.
As for William's flow claims, I'm with you 100%.
Yes a stock or modded 17° will feed hybrids decently, but they will make more power with more oil. I know a guy with 250/100 hybrids and stock oil and his truck runs great, but when he got it lived tuned the tuner called Joey and said "he needs more oil!"
Marvin- RubberDuck did a great write-up on HPOP swapping. I have one on another forum I can link to if needed, I didn't post it here because of RubberDuck's already excellent post here.
As for William's flow claims, I'm with you 100%.
Yes a stock or modded 17° will feed hybrids decently, but they will make more power with more oil. I know a guy with 250/100 hybrids and stock oil and his truck runs great, but when he got it lived tuned the tuner called Joey and said "he needs more oil!"
Marvin- RubberDuck did a great write-up on HPOP swapping. I have one on another forum I can link to if needed, I didn't post it here because of RubberDuck's already excellent post here.
#43
01-12-2011, 01:32 PM
Joey can send you the flow information on the pumps.
And like chase said, its about volume, not pressure.
Thats the point of duals. VOLUME.
Yes, you can run hybrids on a single 17, and it will work great.
you put big oil on it and it will work awesome.
Big oil on stock AD's will really increase power as well.
Yes, you can get big numbers from a stock 17.
or a modded 17.
Its really all just in tuning.
I'd love to post you some actual flow info, but.
Well, It's not there.
but I can also use my brain on how worn parts work vs new parts and such as well.
It probably helps I know what makes the modded 17 also.
And, he wasn't working on modding 15's buddy.
It's a different project. Similar though.
If you wanted him to mod a 15, he could do it for you.
If your going to run 15's, just go for duals.
15's have a longevity thing, and with the lower swash plate it wont kill the oil quite as fast, but will provide more than enough volume and pressure for almost any injector.
Bobbies kitchen pass, rubberducks puller, is running dual 15's.
Joey sent me the number differences on flows between a 15' and a 17 but I cannot remember them. Just waaaay to much info to know.
Hpop's are a big deal.
If you want to know more about HPOPs with a Non-Bias opinion, then message MadVan Bill.
And like chase said, its about volume, not pressure.
Thats the point of duals. VOLUME.
Yes, you can run hybrids on a single 17, and it will work great.
you put big oil on it and it will work awesome.
Big oil on stock AD's will really increase power as well.
Yes, you can get big numbers from a stock 17.
or a modded 17.
Its really all just in tuning.
I'd love to post you some actual flow info, but.
Well, It's not there.
but I can also use my brain on how worn parts work vs new parts and such as well.
It probably helps I know what makes the modded 17 also.
And, he wasn't working on modding 15's buddy.
It's a different project. Similar though.
If you wanted him to mod a 15, he could do it for you.
If your going to run 15's, just go for duals.
15's have a longevity thing, and with the lower swash plate it wont kill the oil quite as fast, but will provide more than enough volume and pressure for almost any injector.
Bobbies kitchen pass, rubberducks puller, is running dual 15's.
Joey sent me the number differences on flows between a 15' and a 17 but I cannot remember them. Just waaaay to much info to know.
Hpop's are a big deal.
If you want to know more about HPOPs with a Non-Bias opinion, then message MadVan Bill.
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01-12-2011, 01:54 PM
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#45
01-12-2011, 02:36 PM
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Wow, another HPOP thread... LOL.
To be basic, it's all going to depend on what injectors/how much power you want.. The TE modded 17* is good if you want some 160cc stage 2's or 238 hybrids. For the bigger stage 2's(180+cc) the modded 17* will not keep up. It will keep up with the hybrids since they use less oil. The Adrenaline will keep up just find with about the same injectors as the modded 17*. The SRP1 Stealth pump will out flow both the modded 17* and the Adrenaline, but then again they have done more modifications to the pump design than the others so that's to be expected.
It will be interesting to see what the Terminator T1 does though. I haven't talked to Joey much about it yet, but I would think he is out to compete with the SRP1 with it.
So if your just looking at the SRP1 and the Adrenaline, the SRP1 is the winner. Dual pumps are not neccessary unless your wanting to really make some power..
To be basic, it's all going to depend on what injectors/how much power you want.. The TE modded 17* is good if you want some 160cc stage 2's or 238 hybrids. For the bigger stage 2's(180+cc) the modded 17* will not keep up. It will keep up with the hybrids since they use less oil. The Adrenaline will keep up just find with about the same injectors as the modded 17*. The SRP1 Stealth pump will out flow both the modded 17* and the Adrenaline, but then again they have done more modifications to the pump design than the others so that's to be expected.
It will be interesting to see what the Terminator T1 does though. I haven't talked to Joey much about it yet, but I would think he is out to compete with the SRP1 with it.
So if your just looking at the SRP1 and the Adrenaline, the SRP1 is the winner. Dual pumps are not neccessary unless your wanting to really make some power..
