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Old 12-30-2010, 05:31 PM
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need to find vin

I just a econoline van I think is a 1965 but not shear I need to find the vin but have no idea were it is can any one help me please.
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No vin on these cars, Ford didn't use them yet.
Use the tag number on the door plate and get your license office to issue a new number using it as the base number and add the extra digits.
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Hold up there. The vin numbers are in two locations on the van. The easiest place is the back cross braces in front of the taillights. Either on the left or right. Usually the right has the vin # stamped into the metal of the brace. The other location is the floor under the lip of the doghouse. Usually on the right side. This requires unbolting the doghouse from the floor and cleaning the seal that glues it to the floor.
It is stamped into the sheetmetal of the lip.
Those are the permanent locations of the serial vin numbers. There are door tags, but the problem is they get removed or the door gets changed.
Guys have 61 econo van, but the door has been changed with a door from a 67 with 67 tag on it. Then the van gets sold as a 67 not a 61.
Check those other location first if you do not have a door tag.
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Not to start an argument but to the best of my knowledge Ford did use 17 digit vins until 1968, these numbers you are talking about are build numbers and contain most of the required numerals but are not a complete 17 digit vin.
So I think if these are not a 17 digit number it is not a true vin.
I've been through this before when importing from the States.
Not to say that some licensing offices won't accept that but, in ontario it has to be a 17 digit number.
My 62,63 64 Falcons have no vin, just build numbers.
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I manuals on this vin numbers being located there and have found them on my Econoline vans and trucks I have here. They also match the numbers on matching door tags that are still on the vehicles.
They start with the first 3 digits saying the series numbers of what van or truck model series it is.
The next is aletter code for engine displacement.
Next would be a letter for assembly plant.
The next 6 digits are consecutive series numbers for when the vehicle was built.
With manuals you can check the last 6 digits and it will tell you year and month the vehicle was built.
They did not have 17 numbers then .


As for your Falcon Ranchero I do not know where the vins are located. I remember that some cars had the numbers stamped on the unibody brace from shock tower to the firewall. I cannot say if this was Ford, But I believe it was on some cars and Toyotas in the 70's.



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You absolutely correct, but these are build numbers , not vins.
Thats why they do not have 17 digits.
As I said, in some areas these may have been used as vins, but they are not vins, they are build numbers.
Call the local motor vehicle liscensing office in the jurisdiction that handles these matters for clarification.
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The factory shop maunuals on Econolines from 61-67 show this to be the serial numbers on the tags. Following the serial number are other numbers that include color codes, wheel base, Trannys, weight ratios. These are included on the Econolines.
As for the car series these were not the same. The serial numbers were separate.
Read through this forum and you will find several others pointing out these are serial numbers with additional info.
Numberdummy is the most updated member on this site being a parts man at a ford dealership for I believe some 30 years. He is quite knowledgeable on serial numbers and part numbers.
I f I knew how to post pics on this thread. I can show you the American tag and the Canadian tag. and also the pic of the rear brace with the numbers on it.
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Once again, yes these tags and numbers do contain the same info as a vin, but they are not vins, standardized vins did not come in effect on North American cars until 1980, prior to that each manufacturer may have had it's own system.
Don't get serial numbers or build numbers confused with vins.
Yes, I owned and own many 60s Fords and have imported them so have been through this vin number crap before.
Yes, the numbers may match, call them what you want, they are not vins.
Are the numbers you are talking about 17 digit numbers?
If not, they are not vins.
There is actually a math calculation that will verify vins and if it is not a 17 digit string it won't work.
Can't change my mind, done with this.
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No vin on these cars, Ford didn't use them yet.
All 1948 and later Ford trucks, all 1949 and later Ford Passenger Cars have a VIN / Vehicle Identification Number - registers the entire vehicle. So called in Ford shop manuals and parts catalogs.

Prior to 1948/49, vehicles were registered by their engine number. The problem was, if the engine was changed, the numbers no longer matched.

17 digit VIN's: 1980 thru today Passenger Cars, 1981 thru today trucks.

The following applies to US vehicles, 1966/68 sold new in Canada only trucks. 1946/65 Canadian only trucks use a different system.

1961/80: Econolines, all trucks & 1966/80 Bronco's have an 11 digit VIN

The first 3 digits is the series code, the 4th is the engine code, the 5th is the assembly plant code, the last 6 digits is the numerical sequence of assembly, the vehicles specific serial number.

1965 F100 example: F10DR639899: F10 = F100 2WD / D = 352 2V / R = San Jose Assembly Plant / 639899 = 1965, assembled January 1965. 699899 is this truck's specific serial number.

1960/79 Passenger Cars have an 11 digit VIN. The first digit is the year, the 2nd is the assembly plant, the 3rd/4th is the body code, the 5th is the engine code. The last 6 digits is the vehicles specific serial number.

Look in any 1949 and later Ford car or 1948 and later Ford truck parts catalog's General Info Section. This where VIN's are decoded.
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