Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Super Duty/Heavy Duty > Super Duty & Heavy Duty
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


Super Duty & Heavy Duty 1999 to current Ford F250, F350, F450 and F550 Super Duty with diesel V8 and gas V8 and V10 engines SPONSORED BY:

Welcome to Ford-Trucks Forums!
Welcome to Ford-Trucks.com.

You are currently viewing our forums as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Ford-Trucks Forums community today!





 
Reply
 
 
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 10-26-2010, 08:29 AM
78bigbronco's Avatar
78bigbronco 78bigbronco is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 1,700
78bigbronco is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
does key have a 'chip' in it?

Since I've locked my keys in the truck twice now [insert Homer Simpson DOH!] and my spare was out of town, I went to the local hardware store to make a spare today. He said it had a chip in it and a spare wouldnt work, since it was a 'new ford' (my 350 in pic below). Maybe it does, IDK, but I'd be pretty darn surprised if it did. One thing I didnt realize when I was there is it would probably still open the door without a chip though, right? Thats all I really need it for is those times I lock myself out...
__________________

09 F-350 V10 4x4 6spd CC/8' ordered 5/26/09 delivered 7/6/09
99 F-150 V6 4x4 5spd RegCab/Short bed
78 Big Bronco 4x4 (a work in progress)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-26-2010, 08:33 AM
brd7666's Avatar
brd7666 brd7666 is offline
Elder User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 917
brd7666 has a very good reputation on FTE.brd7666 has a very good reputation on FTE.brd7666 has a very good reputation on FTE.
You can have a regular key made to open the door. The chipped key is only needed to start the truck.
__________________

Brian 2001 Ford F250 Super Duty Lariat, Crew Cab, 5.4 liter V-8 gas motor, 2WD, 410 LS Rear Axle, 4 inch Fabtech lift kit, Westin Bull Bar, Factory Fog Light's, Hella 6" Fog Light's, Cowl Induction Hood, K&N cold air intake, Airaid Poweraid throttle body spacer, OEM Cab Clearance Lights, Peak Back-up Camera, Cobra LX LE CB Radio, Leer Topper
2004 Ford Taurus SES, 3.0 liter 24 valve DOHC v-6 Duratec engine
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-26-2010, 08:43 AM
78bigbronco's Avatar
78bigbronco 78bigbronco is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 1,700
78bigbronco is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Thanks for the speeedy reply!

But just for my own curiosity, they do all have chips in em now?
__________________

09 F-350 V10 4x4 6spd CC/8' ordered 5/26/09 delivered 7/6/09
99 F-150 V6 4x4 5spd RegCab/Short bed
78 Big Bronco 4x4 (a work in progress)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-26-2010, 09:10 AM
scububbs's Avatar
scububbs scububbs is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Tucson
Posts: 109
scububbs is starting off with a positive reputation.
That is correct, they have a chip. Apparently Ford made some changes to the 2011 models that make it even more sophisticated. I bought chipped key blanks for my '07 on eBay for a tenth of what the dealer wanted to charge, but as of now the blank keys for the 2011 models aren't available. My remote/key is $250 from the dealer, or I can get a chipped key without remote for about half that. Fortunately I have the keypad entry system on my truck, although if I lose the key I'm still screwed. I have always had an extra key hidden on the truck somewhere, so I'm watching to see when the keys become available to the general locksmith trade.
__________________

2011 F250 XLT, 6.2L, 3.73, FX4 Stock: 2011 Heartland North Country 26' single slideout. Let's Haul!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-26-2010, 10:02 AM
78bigbronco's Avatar
78bigbronco 78bigbronco is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 1,700
78bigbronco is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
What is the purpose of the chip anyway. Methinks its so the auto companies can charge an exorbitant price for extra keys. Do people really steal keys and go make copies first in an attempt to steal your car? If it were up to me I'd just put a starter button in somewhere hidden and not even bother with keys lol.
__________________

09 F-350 V10 4x4 6spd CC/8' ordered 5/26/09 delivered 7/6/09
99 F-150 V6 4x4 5spd RegCab/Short bed
78 Big Bronco 4x4 (a work in progress)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-26-2010, 10:19 AM
Byram's Avatar
Byram Byram is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Austin, TX USA
Posts: 1,126
Byram has a good reputation on FTE.Byram has a good reputation on FTE.
scububbs

You can go to the dealer & get the key with just the black head - NOT the remote head (with lock/unlock). Then if you have both of the originals the manual tells you how to program the new key. My Dealer it was like $38 per key. It has to be a "SA" coded key like your originals....
Drawbacks - if you use the key to unlock the door - the message center tells you to start the car to stop alarm... Also the key generates the message "ignition fault" or something but it just flashes & goes away...

I have aways carried the ignition (remote or key fob) alone and a "cut" key on my house/office keychain for backup... also the dog makes me leave the truck running when I go into stores some & I need to lock it while running...
__________________
2013 F-350SC Lariat
6.7; 3.55 EL; 4x4; B&W Turnover; Ranch Hand; BFG M/T 285's; Oasis XD 4000 OBA

"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-26-2010, 10:20 AM
scububbs's Avatar
scububbs scububbs is offline
Senior User
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Tucson
Posts: 109
scububbs is starting off with a positive reputation.
I'm sure the chipped key is an attempt to cut down on theft, but from everything I've read professional car thieves always find a way around this stuff. I suppose it at least stops the old technique of popping out the ignition ring and starting the vehicle with a screwdriver.
Where I live F150s are the most popular truck to steal, and they're usually across the Mexican border an hour after they're stolen. Once the ignition improvements came along they started pulling the trucks onto a flatbed and driving them away. You sure don't need a key to do that.
__________________

2011 F250 XLT, 6.2L, 3.73, FX4 Stock: 2011 Heartland North Country 26' single slideout. Let's Haul!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-26-2010, 10:27 AM
dchamberlain's Avatar
dchamberlain dchamberlain is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sweetbrier RV & Train Prk
Posts: 5,684
dchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputation
I think PATS (Passive Anti Theft System) showed up in '08 for SD's. Without the key with the chip, the PCM won't start the truck. My Dad had it on a '99 Explorer and they broke in and stole stuff, busted the ignition trying to start it but it didn't go nowhere.

I have not heard any credible stories of anyone getting around it.

You can get a key cut without the microchip for unlocking the doors, it just won't start the truck. You can also get the keys with the microchip fairly cheaply from E-Bay and other places. As long as you have two PATS keys, you can program more by yourself. If you only have one, you have to have the dealer do it.
__________________
David Chamberlain
2004 F-250 SD, 4x4 FX4, 6.0L PSD

Oregon Chapter Member:
To join the Oregon Chapter, click HERE
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-26-2010, 01:43 PM
78bigbronco's Avatar
78bigbronco 78bigbronco is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 1,700
78bigbronco is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Thanks for the info. Guess I dont know a whole lot about auto theft. Break ins and such are pretty common, and the few times someone I have known got a vehicle stolen the robber had the key (I think).

Well went back to the hardware store and $3 had my spare key for lockouts. And you all are right, out of curiosity I put in the new spare, all the dash lights and such turned on like normal, but nothing happens when turned to start.
__________________

09 F-350 V10 4x4 6spd CC/8' ordered 5/26/09 delivered 7/6/09
99 F-150 V6 4x4 5spd RegCab/Short bed
78 Big Bronco 4x4 (a work in progress)
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-26-2010, 01:54 PM
galaxie641 galaxie641 is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SE Wyoming
Posts: 4,428
galaxie641 has a very good reputation on FTE.galaxie641 has a very good reputation on FTE.galaxie641 has a very good reputation on FTE.galaxie641 has a very good reputation on FTE.
Were the SD's that late to the game? F150's got it in '99. I've often wondered if our '09 XL F450 has a chip because the key head is so small but I couldn't imagine any truck made now doesn't have it.
__________________
'51 F3 Flat8
'64 Galaxie 352 4bbl
'72 F250 400/C6
'08 CVPI
'09 F150 5.4L
'10 Mustang GT
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-26-2010, 02:29 PM
mwsF250 mwsF250 is offline
Postmaster
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Wayyy NoCal, USA
Posts: 2,564
mwsF250 has a great reputation on FTE.mwsF250 has a great reputation on FTE.mwsF250 has a great reputation on FTE.mwsF250 has a great reputation on FTE.mwsF250 has a great reputation on FTE.
Yup, it's about security and trying to prevent hot-wiring or screwdriver activation. This is a pretty simple system designed to keep the amateurs and mouth breathers out. Still relatively easy for a professional to work around.

If you think this is a pain, don't buy a Lamborghini! From what I understand, Lambo will not sell replacement keys, period. And the keys, locks, and PCM are all hard coded together - no options to "learn" new keys. Last I heard, NO thieves had yet to figure out how to work around it!
The down side: If you lose all your keys, it is many thousand dollars to re-equip the car to a new key set, and the factory requires multiple hoop jumps (proof of ownership) before they will ship the parts.

I'm pretty happy with BMW's middle of the road approach: Keys are hard coded, and quite the pain to get. The intent is that they are ONLY available through the factory in Germany. The coding is quite proprietary and confidential. To get one, I have to bring in the car, the title, and the registration to prove it is mine. Then the dealer can order it for me. The key comes from Germany, but they ship it international express and usually takes 2 days.
__________________
'99 F250 V10 Super Cab Long Bed 4x4. '06 short block, PI conversion, modded airbox, 5 Star custom tune, FM50BB, 315/75-16 GY Duratracs, mild lift, 4.30 LSD, Ride-Rite bags, on board air, Rancho RS9000 w/MyRide, under bed subwoofer, 160 amp Quick Start large case alternator
Why, yes, I am some kind of geek engineer. Thank you for asking.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-26-2010, 03:05 PM
dchamberlain's Avatar
dchamberlain dchamberlain is offline
Post Fiend
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Sweetbrier RV & Train Prk
Posts: 5,684
dchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputationdchamberlain has a superb reputation
I keep hearing people say that professionals can get around it. I've just never heard of any instance where it has been done, nor how it would be done. Short of having Fords WDS or IDS software and quite a bit of time to work.

This is what the Ford PATS key looks like. At least all of the ones I've seen. I'm not sure if the much later models, like 08 and above are the same.

Genuine Ford Mercury Transponder PATS Chip Key F/Ship: eBay Motors (item 180534017426 end time Nov-13-10 07:51:20 PST)

As far as I know, not even all new trucks come with PATS. It's either an option of part of a higher trim level.

Trucks got PATS in 08. I think all Excursions had the PATS option.
__________________
David Chamberlain
2004 F-250 SD, 4x4 FX4, 6.0L PSD

Oregon Chapter Member:
To join the Oregon Chapter, click HERE
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-26-2010, 03:10 PM
redford's Avatar
redford redford is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Hooterville WI
Posts: 15,831
redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.redford has a spectacular reputation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by scububbs View Post
That is correct, they have a chip. Apparently Ford made some changes to the 2011 models that make it even more sophisticated. I bought chipped key blanks for my '07 on eBay for a tenth of what the dealer wanted to charge,......
Odd, my '07 has normal keys.
__________________

2007 F-250 Super Cab Short Bed 4x4 XLT Sport Package 5.4L 3.73LS Tow Command

Stuart
Retired Master Sergeant

FTE Guidelines
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-26-2010, 05:34 PM
jc8825's Avatar
jc8825 jc8825 is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Fort Worth
Posts: 1,711
jc8825 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.jc8825 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Quote:
Originally Posted by galaxie641 View Post
Were the SD's that late to the game? F150's got it in '99. I've often wondered if our '09 XL F450 has a chip because the key head is so small but I couldn't imagine any truck made now doesn't have it.
Yes, the heavier duty trucks get advancements later. It wasn't until the SD that the F-250+ got airbags (except for the LD 250 in 97-98).
I would imagine that the 450+ still do not have chipped keys due to them being a higher duty truck.
__________________
2002 F-250 XLT SC LB 4x4 7.3L PSD - SOLD
2004 F-250 XLT SC LB 4x4 5.4L ZF6 - SOLD
"Our foreign policy WILL change eventually, as Rome's did, when all budgetary and monetary tricks to fund it are exhausted."
- Ron Paul
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-26-2010, 11:45 PM
wallz's Avatar
wallz wallz is offline
Posting Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The Great White North!
Posts: 2,494
wallz has much to be proud ofwallz has much to be proud ofwallz has much to be proud ofwallz has much to be proud ofwallz has much to be proud ofwallz has much to be proud ofwallz has much to be proud ofwallz has much to be proud ofwallz has much to be proud ofwallz has much to be proud of
Yep, the excursions had them stock.

You can also program the second key with the AE scanner, as long as you have one working key, and some time. I think it was 10 min I had to wait till I could get into the programming system, but I still needed the one key.
Most insurance should have a lower rate for curtain things if you have the pats key, (immobilizer). At least we do here in BC.
__________________
2002 Excursion, 4x4, V-10, XLT, RS9000 shocks, true trac diff, 08 alum diff cover, interior light delete, 08 power fold/xtend mirrors, KM2 tires, 5 Star tuned, front cryo powerslots with hawk pads, XRF ball joints. 50" front mounted LED bar, 10" reverse light LED bar. Banks stainless long tube headers and exhaust kit., front seat heaters.
2011 Expedition, Ltd Max, 4x4. 30" LED light bar, flip key fob, 9 passenger, more to come.
Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2010, 11:45 PM
 
 
 
Reply

Go Back   Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums > Super Duty/Heavy Duty > Super Duty & Heavy Duty

Tags
2007, 2011, 62, air, antitheft, cold, cutting, f250, f350, ford, intake, key, keys, made, message, truck

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
88 460 Timing Pointer Tab Finger__Rachet 1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 2 05-09-2014 10:12 PM
Replace OEM Mirrors with blinkers Homer Simpson Excursion - King of SUVs 2 11-26-2010 06:32 PM
Problem Solvered! Flywest 1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel 5 01-25-2007 08:33 AM
I feel like Homer Simpson, but where is the CPS Located? samahi72 1994.5 - 1997 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel 3 04-27-2006 12:22 AM
Famous Simpson Quotes salix7 General NON-Automotive Conversation 51 05-25-2004 10:45 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:16 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7 AC1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Statement - Jobs
This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. FordŽ is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.

vbulletin Admin Backup