Originally posted by DOHCmarauder It's so obvious when one resorts to name calling, that individual knows he's lost and is now scrapping for little dignity he has left. Such a shame.
then why have you been belittling me with the tone of your language in every post???
have you ever pulled anything substantial before? im not trying to sound like i know everything here, i realize i don't know much about alot! but honestly, do yourself a favor before you add any more to the debate and go see for yourself. actually drive a dually with a trailer on it, and see how much easier it handles the load on the road as compared to your truck.
all those facts and figures that ford puts out, they don't mean crap. instead of worrying about them, go out and see for yourself, make some new judgements, and then come back and argue again. i bet you'll have changed your mind and you won't be arguing any more.
Find any converted gas PSD's Lately?
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What's this supposed to mean?
Where did I ever say this? Sure you arent confusing me with WXBoy? You've had your run ins with him as well-though I gotta admit -he's not very knowledgeable and very cocky.(kinda like you are).
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Gotta LOVE it. Franky takes so much time typing, he misses the post where Chris says it really doesn't matter in a 250/350. Can't WAIT to see you give Chris props on that post. LK never said the DRW will tow more.in a 250/350......again, selective comprehension
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Your right-I missed it-got chit goin on around me here, it happens.
And he's right, I said myself that for most applications a gas truck is BEST-I believe this, and I like SRW's -ever try parking a dually around town?
But Chris and I are in agreement on the matter of DRW vs SRW from real world useage-big difference, and contrary to your statements the 350 DRW and 350SRW ARE NOT the same truck.
Like I've already said, the 350 DRW shares more components with the 450 than it does the 250, there are differences though.
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It's so obvious when one resorts to name calling, that individual knows he's lost and is now scrapping for little dignity he has left. Such a shame.
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I'm only picking up where you left off-it's obvious that Chris is a gentleman, I am not..don't get me wrong I am a nice enough guy, but I won't let people get off with BS.
Chris seems like the kinda guy who if he was in a bar with your sorry azz and you started mouthin off, he'd prolly look at ya funny shake his head, and then walk away and not waste his time with you. I'd beat the crap outta ya- or go down tryin.
Originally posted by cek181 then why have you been belittling me with the tone of your language in every post???
have you ever pulled anything substantial before? im not trying to sound like i know everything here, i realize i don't know much about alot! but honestly, do yourself a favor before you add any more to the debate and go see for yourself. actually drive a dually with a trailer on it, and see how much easier it handles the load on the road as compared to your truck.
all those facts and figures that ford puts out, they don't mean crap. instead of worrying about them, go out and see for yourself, make some new judgements, and then come back and argue again. i bet you'll have changed your mind and you won't be arguing any more.
Sorry you feel that way. Your first post dictated my "tone" . Your goofy truck pulling contest kept it going.
Why can't you accept the fact that if and when I need to pull something substantial my truck will be over its head and a 450/550 DRW will most likely be needed.
Look, I'm not sure what the problem is exactly. I know at the limits of MY truck that DRW would only reduce my towing capacity, increase purchase price and make for more expensive tire replacements. At the weights I tow with, 8K empty 40' trailer or 5500# boat, DRW will offer no advantage. I have used a friends Chev dually(reg cab) to pull my old 26' Nordic in the past.(aprox 6K) My '89 F350 CC SRW pulled it much nicer but I attribute that more to the longer wheelbase than anything.
If and when I pull heavier loads I will definetly have to step up. At these weights and up to the GCVWR of a 250/350 it's a waste( where have I heard that before?)
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Find any converted gas PSD's Lately?
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What's this supposed to mean?
Where did I ever say this? Sure you arent confusing me with WXBoy? You've had your run ins with him as well-though I gotta admit -he's not very knowledgeable and very cocky.(kinda like you are).
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Gotta LOVE it. Franky takes so much time typing, he misses the post where Chris says it really doesn't matter in a 250/350. Can't WAIT to see you give Chris props on that post. LK never said the DRW will tow more.in a 250/350......again, selective comprehension
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Your right-I missed it-got chit goin on around me here, it happens.
And he's right, I said myself that for most applications a gas truck is BEST-I believe this, and I like SRW's -ever try parking a dually around town?
But Chris and I are in agreement on the matter of DRW vs SRW from real world useage-big difference, and contrary to your statements the 350 DRW and 350SRW ARE NOT the same truck.
Like I've already said, the 350 DRW shares more components with the 450 than it does the 250, there are differences though.
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It's so obvious when one resorts to name calling, that individual knows he's lost and is now scrapping for little dignity he has left. Such a shame.
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I'm only picking up where you left off-it's obvious that Chris is a gentleman, I am not..don't get me wrong I am a nice enough guy, but I won't let people get off with BS.
Chris seems like the kinda guy who if he was in a bar with your sorry azz and you started mouthin off, he'd prolly look at ya funny shake his head, and then walk away and not waste his time with you. I'd beat the crap outta ya- or go down tryin.
Sound familiar??? I reposted it in the "GM sales fall...." post so you can see for yourself. My guess is you just like to argue and don't remember half the crap that comes from your pie hole
Nope, the 350DRW is still a 350 at heart. Brake size, trannys, spindle strength(8 lug wheels) the same 20,0000 GCVWR.
First it's name calling and now bar fights? It's real clear what kind of person you are.
Ah I see now, you got me there, yeah you got me...lol.
Feel better now? Maybe you should go ahead and check all my posts -got to make sure I got them right, it won't change a thing about the priciple point I'm making in this arguement.
Feel free to waste your time doing so.
How long did it take you to find that information? were you up all night working on it?...lol.
Gotta say, you hear all kinds of crap around here,
"Ford owns Cummins"
"PSD is designed and built by Caterpillar"
"Ford owns Allison"
"Chevy's gonna start using Cats"
"Dodge is going with a Benz engine"
"Dodge is a foreign car manufacturer"
"SRW v10 trucks will outpull DRW diesels"
Lot's of misinformation goin around-that's for sure.
Sorry to contribute my part as well. I thought for sure though that I had read somewhere that Ford did indeed use a gas/diesel conversion at one time in their pickups, but after conducting a search I was unable to turn up any information with regard to this, so I'll take my spanking like a man, I know what I'm about buddy, no false pride here.
As far as you go, you are not impressive in the least.
You are cocky, arrogant, and misinformed about real world applications of trucks.
You say you drive PSD ambulance's -you gotta be an EMT, I've known many- the ones that wer'ent fags, were definately arrogant suckers, what is it?
It's got to be something inherent to the work you do that causes you people to act the way that you do, your all know it alls.
Maybe it's a case of inferiority, cause your not paramedics?
I don't know, and I guess I should'int speculate on that,nor should I assume that all EMT's are like the ones I've known, but boy if it is'int true.
Maybe your a fireman? I'm trying to figure out what it is a guy like you would do for a living, that would cause you to know everything.
All I know is I work and SWEAT for a living-and I'm sure you could not do what I do, nor do you know what I know, esp trucks-not when your telling me a v10 SRW will out work/ tow a DRW diesel-not happening, but you'd have no way of knowing this since all you tow is your little yuppy camper and your lil' boat.
I'd sooner spend the money on a second truck and go camping with a surplus army tent, as spend that kind of money on a tow along house.
But thats all you tow, right? You don't WORK your truck, its sits while you work. And your tellin me?.....lol.
Look up the spec's on the DRW 350, tell me how they are the same as the SRW. 8 bolt pattern lugs, 16" wheels, and cabs/bodies, trans are about it. The rest is entirely different but you will overlook that and point back to a rating which dosent mean anything.
I don't need to look up your posts, I've seen enough here for myself to know all I need to know....your a BSer, but not a very good one!...lol.
Regards.
Put it in both -figured it'd mean twice as much to you that way....LOL
ACTUALLY, there might be some fact behind that rumor. Since Dodge's parent company, Daimler, also owns Mercedes, which makes diesels, it would make sense for DC to use in-house diesels vs. buy from Cummins. Of course, that's still just a rumor I've read at several sites, including TDR.
Where did this 7.3L came from a 440 stuff come from? From what I've read, it is based off the 6.9L
DOHC, your talking in so many circles that i don't even think you know what your talking about anymore. frank is right that you have no clue about the real world application of trucks. if you did, you certainly wouldn't be posting BS like this.
anything will be fine to pull your boat or camper or what have you. hell maybe your v10 will pull it easier, because its such a light weight, that to compare the v10 and diesel its like they are both empty anyways. when you start hauling heavy equipment, logs, and round bales on a daily basis, then maybe you'll see the light. im done here.
back to the original intent of the post
they are both good trucks, both having pluses and minus, and it depends on what you can get the better deal on. you probably won't be able to pick up many women in a dodge though, that new front end they have isn't too attractive
All who read this, I apologize for my bad manners in the previous post, I've got a matter of a difference of opinion with DOHC, and actually these posts are getting rather silly, and crude.
I still disagree with you regarding DRW vs SRW, and v10 vs diesel, DOHC-but that's not what this is about, my comments were out of line, I'm sorry.
I guess sometimes we all get a bit carried away, and this is'int the way to treat your fellow truck enthusiast, over a disagreement.
Originally posted by cek181 DOHC, your talking in so many circles that i don't even think you know what your talking about anymore. frank is right that you have no clue about the real world application of trucks. if you did, you certainly wouldn't be posting BS like this.
anything will be fine to pull your boat or camper or what have you. hell maybe your v10 will pull it easier, because its such a light weight, that to compare the v10 and diesel its like they are both empty anyways. when you start hauling heavy equipment, logs, and round bales on a daily basis, then maybe you'll see the light. im done here.
back to the original intent of the post
they are both good trucks, both having pluses and minus, and it depends on what you can get the better deal on. you probably won't be able to pick up many women in a dodge though, that new front end they have isn't too attractive
carry on!
I know I should just let this go, but I have to defend myself one last time.
I'm starting to believe that frick and frack are the same petty, silly people.
I have been saying the same thing over and over and over. That whether a diesel or V10, a SRW or DRW in the light weight applications of 250/350 makes little or no difference. They will all tow their max weights. The simple fact that because Ford rates all these trucks with same Gross Combined weights just means that the lighter truck is rated to tow more IN THESE CONFIGURATIONS. Chris, can you POSSIBLY grasp this??? No circles, just the same over and over again.
I get some yahoo tout how a 450 can smash my face into a steering wheel. Some gardner say towing 20k the diesel and DRW rules. Well no ****** sherlocks, that has NEVER been the discussion. For whatever reason Ford rates the DRW 350 the same. Maybe its the same brakes as the 250, transmissions, steering gear that limit it. I know that a PSD with Allison or some other medium duty trans will destroy my truck towing. Guess what Einsteins, it's NOT AVAILABLE in a 250/350.
franky, if indeed you meant what you said, it would have been easier to have deleted the message in question. You are very insincere in your actions. If you must know, I'm a Firefighter with an EMT-I and will be going to paramedics school in the fall on the deptartments dime. I'm secure with who I am and no need to tout how experienced or tough or how much I sweat.
My 40' trailer was purchased to live in while my wife, son and I built our house. I kept it because it's great to tow to Lake Mead on multi day trips. I hope that answers all your questions.
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How is it you come to the conclusion I'm insincere in my apology?
How do you delete a post once it's been posted?
Take a look at the times between my post in which I was making the uncalled for remarks about you, and the one with my apology.
Can't a guy feel sorry for going off, and saying something stupid?
I do apologize, it was un called for. When I reread my post I was disgusted.
I'm not sorry for my opinions-I feel your dead wrong, plain and simple- but I don't like that post I made, and all I can do is tell you to take my word for it, there'd be no reason for me to apologise for anything if I was'int sincere-in case you don't realize it yet-I'm not the type to blow smoke up people's azzes.
Just humor me this once, give me an answer to 2 questions,..ok?
I'm using Ford's book now, just so you know your getting it straight from the boys in Detroit, and not some sweaty guy who likes to overload things, and tell fibs.
The book lists two identical 4x2 F350 Chassis cabs, with manual tranny, and 3.73 rears.
How can this be if the v10 is so much better for pulling in the
250/350 class? Especially considering that the diesel outweighs
the v10 by some 550Lbs ?
That's 3000Lbs bro-and this is Ford's books sayin so.
Why would they give the diesel such a higher GCWR to begin with , being the v10 will out pull it within those ranges?
Second question, now I did find one manufacturer who actually took the time to address the real difference between SRW and DRW in it's towing applications- Dodge.
Now I assure you components used on the 2500, and 3500 Rams are identical, not like the Ford 350 SRW and 350 DRW.
Dodge uses a 1 ton axle in it's 3/4 ton trucks.
So why, with all else being equal with these trucks, would the 3500 whichs weighs more, be also able to tow more?
Perhaps they don't have the same GCWR? But why not, it's the same drivetrain right? I mean, it's not like the dual wheels are going to cool the engine any faster...hmmm,..where have I heard that one before?
And also consider, that those Wt ratings from Dodge were the listed TRAILER WEIGHTS-which means that the additional weight for the DRW was already factored in, and does not need to be deducted from that extra 2550 lbs.
Sounds more and more to me like Ford just generalised by giving a top number and leaving you to your own powers of deduction.....lazy.
Because I can tell you now, It has definately been my experience that duallies, and diesels kick butt while towing.
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Originally posted by franktheman How is it you come to the conclusion I'm insincere in my apology?
I didn't. My wording, exactly: "Next person who violates ".
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