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superduty-list Digest Fri, 03 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 050

In This Issue:
Letters to Santa

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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:18:58 -0800
Subject: Re: F-250 SD rear springs [snip]. Kinda long...
From: Dave Santo <dhsanto home.com>

On this date and at this time (10/30/00 3:32 PM), Bill Baker has managed to
string together a selection of syllables into the text quoted below!


> I have exactly this truck, and exactly the same interest in softening
> the unloaded ride.  I trashed my back playing rugby, and when my SD
> starts washboard boppin' on the lovely Caltrans expansion seams, I
> start to regret buying a 4WD SD.
>
> I'm damned sorry to hear the Velvet-Ride shackles and Edelbrocks

Edelbrocks DID improve the ride. Did NOT cut down on the bouncy-ness.

> didn't improve the ride, 'cause that was what I was going to try.
> I've looked at *all* the suspension upgrade options and, really,
> you're only option beyond new shocks and shackles dampeners is an air
> suspension.  Most of the aftermarket air suspensions are just helper
> systems that supplement the leaf springs, which won't help the
> unloaded ride.  You need to go with a ladder bar-type replacement
> system to get the full cushioning of air bags.  Most of the ladder
> bars I saw in the truck magazines looked damned flimsy to me.  The
> exception is the Fleet Ride system
> (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fleetcoproducts.com/ford.htm).  Their suspension arm
> looks to be a heavy-duty cast or forged piece (I'm only going by pics
> on their web page).  The complete system (arms, hardware, bags,
> self-leveling air system, etc.) looks really slick, but it's damned
> expensive.  $2,500 for the rear axle alone.  It seems to be designed
> and priced for fleet service.
>
> The other option is the Kelderman helper system
> (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.keldermanmfg.com/airride.htm).  It replaces the rear leaf
> shackles with a combination air bag/shackle bracket, so that the bag
> is cushions the leaf spring/truck frame interface, so to speak.  And
> it's much cheaper.  If I'm reading their price list correctly a
> complete, self-leveling system for both axles would be about $2,000.

Just today I spoke with Marco at National Spring (619-441-1901) in El Cajon
(near San Diego) and I ordered a new set of spring packs for the rear of my
F-250, Urethane bushings (front & rear) and I'm gonna try Bilstein shocks.
NS was recommending shocks priced at, get this, $240 PER SHOCK! The
"regular" Bilstein shock goes for about $70 each, however, the $240 ones are
rebuildable for life. Not sure whether this means anything or not. I called
Bilstein (in San Diego!) and THEY told me that the $70 ones would be enough.
Hmmmmm?

I read a write-up at:

   http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1185/4_34/66110847/p1/article.jhtml

   {An excerpt:

   ...levels the truck from front to rear. Norton said that the kit
   has been designed to increase wheel travel and articulation, and was
   specifically designed with the weight of the front and the rear of the
   Super Duty in mind. National set the suspension up with as low of a
   spring rate as possible because that is where the ride quality is
   affected, and National tries to ensure that it succeeds in striking a
   balance between performance and ride quality. National also recommended
   using Bilstein's patented gas-pressure shocks that National has tuned
   its system to work with.}

about what NS is doing for the F-350 SD's and it really got me interested in
doing this (instead of air). Prior to calling NS I called Mac's Spring, near
San Berdu, and discussed the Fleetco Comfort-Ride Air Suspension. "Mike"
there told me that there might be about a 30-40% reduction in the
"bouncy-ness," but, for someone with a back problem there might NOT be quite
the improvement one would hope. It WOULD be better, but, maybe not to the
degree I would want. Not sure! He was really trying to, sort-of, talk me out
of it, and, in fact, it was he who suggested NS!

I have to weigh my truck FIRST and give Marco another call. Then I have to
talk to engineering and then I have to wait about 5 weeks ("Maybe less," he
said). He said they have a tremendous demand for these. They can do it all
in one day. They keep the spring-rate down to provide an improved ride and
then they build it up and make sure the truck is level. The leafs are
thinner (flexibility!!!), but, more of them. NO DIFFERENCE IN LOAD CARRYING
CAPABILITY.

$640    for the spring packs ($320 apiece) Includes all bolts, U-bolts,
       new urethane bushings, etc.
$ 50    est. sales tax on the springpack set
$250    for the install of the 2 springpacks.
       So, you can get away with only spending about $940.
       Marco said I'd be PLEASED!

Optional

$960    4 Bilstein rebuildable full reservoir gas shocks ($239+ each)
       Take shocks off. Send to Bilstein. Get rebuilt shock back. Didn't
       ask about cost or anything else OR UNDER WARRANTY???
$ 74    est. sales tax on the $239+ shocks
$280    4 $70 shocks (just as good???)
$ 22    est. sales tax on the $70 shocks
$ 60    install 4 shocks

And, while I'm at it...

$250    Drop the front end suspension
$ 48    price of urethane bushings (I think)       The $48 and the $60 might
$  4    est. sales tax on bushings                 be reversed???
$ 60    install urethane bushings (I think)


At least going THIS ROUTE is "safer" because if the Fleetco Air Susp. proves
to be NOT the cat's meow, NO RETURNS... NO REFUND! That's not to say that NS
HAS this policy, but, it may be easier to get rid of a spring or two, or
not, than it would be to get rid of a completely installed, air-suspension
system. I don't know. AND, there's the leveling valve, the compressor, the
quality of the air and filtering, the airbags AND moving the exhaust pipe to
in front of the rear tire. I've had a Banks Powerpack installed and I'm not
sure I'd want to mess with the piping.

Let me know your thoughts. LIST; you too!

Sorry about the length. Maybe not.


--
Dave Santo
dhsanto home.com


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From: Sandy Swallow <landman sandyswallow.com>
Subject: Letters to Santa
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:06:29 -0800


><< Dear Santa, I've written you for three years now
>     > > asking for a fire truck.
>     > > Please, I really really want a fire truck
this year!
>     > > Love, Joey
>     > > Dear Joey, Let me make it up to you.
Christmas Eve,
>     > > while you sleep, I'm
>     > > gonna torch your house. You'll have more
fire trucks
>     > > than you'll know what
>     > > to do with.
>     > > Santa
>     > >
>     >
*******************************************************
>     > > Dear Santa, I don't know if you can do
this, but for
>     > > Christmas, I'd like for
>     > > my mommy and daddy to get back together.
Please see
>     > > what you can do.
>     > > Love, Teddy
>     > >
>     > > Dear Teddy, What, and ruin that hot affair
your
>     > > dad's still having with the
>     > > baby-sitter? He's banging her like a
screen door in
>     > > a hurricane, son! Let me
>     > > get you some nice Legos instead. Santa
>     > >
>     >
*******************************************************
>     > > Dear Santa, I left milk and cookies for
you under
>     > > the tree, and I left
>     > > carrots for your reindeer outside the
backdoor.
>     > > Love, Susan
>     > > Dear Susan, Milk gives me the shits and
carrots make
>     > > the deer fart in my
>     > > face.
>     > > You want to be a kiss-ass? Leave me a
glass of
>     > > Chivas Regal and a nice Cuban
>     > > cigar. Santa
>     > >
>     >
*******************************************************
>     > > Dear Santa, I really really want a puppy
this year.
>     > > Please please please
>     > > PLEASE,  Jimmy
>     > > Jimmy, That whiney-begging shit may work
with your
>     > > folks, but that crap
>     > > don't work up here. You're getting another
sweater.
>     > >     >   Santa
>     > >
>     >
*******************************************************
>     > > Dear Santa, What do you do the other 364
days of the
>     > > year? Are you making
>     > > toys? Your friend, Thomas
>     > > Dear Thomas, All toys get made in China. I
have a
>     > > condo in Vegas, where I
>     > > spend most my time squeezing cocktail
waitresses
>     > > asses, and losing all my
>     > > cash at the craps table. Hey, YOU wanted
to know!
>     > > Santa
>     > >
>     >
*******************************************************
>     > > Dear Santa, I wud like a kool toy space
ranjur for
>     > > Xmas. Iv ben a good boy
>     > > all year.      YeR FReND, BiLLy
>     > > Dear Billy, Nice spelling. You're on your
way to
>     > > being a career lawn care
>     > > specialist.  How 'bout I send you a
fucking book so
>     > > you can learn to read
>     > > and write? I'm giving your older brother
the space
>     > > ranger, at least HE can
>     > > spell!
>     > > Santa
>     > >
>     >
*****************************************************
>     > > Dear Santa, I have been a good girl all
year, and
>     > > the only thing I ask for
>     > > is peace and joy in the world for
everybody!
>     > > Love, Sarah
>     > > Dear Sarah, Your parents smoked pot when
they had
>     > > you, didn't they? Santa
>     > >
>     >
*******************************************************
>     > > Dear Santa, I need more Pokemon cards
please! All my
>     > > friends have more
>     > > Pokemon cards than me. Please see what you
can do.
>     > >  Love, Michelle
>     > > Dear Michelle, It blows my fucking mind.
Kids are
>     > > forcing their parents to
>     > > buy hundreds of dollars worth of these
stupid cards,
>     > > and none of you
>     > > snot-nosed brats are even learning to play
the game.
>     > > Let me get you
>     > > something more your speed, like "Chutes
and
>     > > Ladders." Santa
>     > >
>     >
*******************************************************
>     > >      >         >
>     > > Dear Santa, I want a new bike,
playstation, a train,
>     > > some G.I. Joes, a dog,
>     > > a drum kit, a pony and a tuba.  Love,
Francis
>     > >
>     > > Dear Francis, Who the fuck names their kid
"Francis"
>     > > nowadays?    Santa
>     > >
>     >
*******************************************************
>     > >      >         >
>     > > Dear Santa, Do you see us when we're
sleeping, do
>     > > you really know when we're
>     > > awake, like in the song?      Love,
Jessica
>     > > Dear Jessica, You are that gullible? Good
luck in
>     > > whatever you do,  I'm
>     > > skipping your house..   Santa
>     > >
>     >
*******************************************************
>     > >      >         >
>     > > Dearest Santa, We don't have a chimney in
our house,
>     > > how do you get into our
>     > > home? Love, Marky
>     > > Mark, First, stop calling yourself
"Marky"; that's
>     > > why you're getting your
>     > > ass whipped at school. Secondly, you don't
live in a
>     > > house, that's a
>     > > low-rent apartment complex you're living
in.
>     > > Thirdly, I get inside your pad
>     > > just like all the burglars do, through
your bedroom
>     > > window.      Sweet
>     > > Dreams!  Santa >>





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