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small-list Digest Wed, 10 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 007

In This Issue:
Re: Front Brake Pads
Re: Front Brake Pads
Re: Front Brake Pads
Front Brake Pads
Re: Front Brake Pads
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From: "Joe M" <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Front Brake Pads
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:42:07 -0500


I did not do it this time, I had my local STS and yes they did.

-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of David Cooley
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:42 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Front Brake Pads



Did you put the anti squeal pads between the pad and the caliper?

-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Joe M
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 9:39 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Front Brake Pads



I just got Raybestos installed on my 99 after the factory eat my rotors
(only 33K)....and Kevin your right, the squeal like  a pig.  Stop real well
though....


-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Crain
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:22 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Front Brake Pads



I swapped Raybestos semi-metallic pads onto my '99 4x4 Ranger and recommend
them unless you have a problem with the squealiness.  They work great,
don't dust as much as the stockers, and don't fade under hard use...but
they squeal like a pig every time I touch the pedal.  Cold, hot, anywhere
in between, they squeal.  However, they're always there when I need them.
Pick your priority.

-Kevin

At 12:05 PM 1/9/01 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Hello All,
>
>Our '99 Ranger 4x2 Super Cab seems to be getting close to needing front
brakes,
>I was just wondering what you guys who have replaced your pads with are
using.
>Are you running stock Ford pads or is it okay to go with an aftermarket
brand
>(like Napa).  What seems to last the longest? (a loaded question I know).
I'll
>be replacing them myself, and while I've replaced the pads on other makes
of
>vehicles, I'm curious if there are any Ford specific tips or tricks I
should
>know about.  FWIW I will be having the rotors machined during the process.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>        --Kevin        kdaxon nocccd.cc.ca.us
>        '99 Ranger 4x2 - Hers (smashed rear bumper :(
>        '93 Toyota T100 4x2 - Mine :-)
>
>
>





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From: "Joe M" <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Front Brake Pads
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:42:38 -0500


Brand new rotors on my, still squeals.

-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of David Cooley
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:33 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Front Brake Pads



If you have the rotors turned, the squeel will disappear.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Crain
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:22 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [small-list] Re: Front Brake Pads
>
>
>
> I swapped Raybestos semi-metallic pads onto my '99 4x4 Ranger and
> recommend
> them unless you have a problem with the squealiness.  They work great,
> don't dust as much as the stockers, and don't fade under hard use...but
> they squeal like a pig every time I touch the pedal.  Cold, hot, anywhere
> in between, they squeal.  However, they're always there when I need them.
> Pick your priority.
>



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From: "Chris Oostveen" <coost i2k.com>
Subject: Re: Front Brake Pads
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:54:56 -0500


Sound as if they left out the anti squeal gunk on the back of the pads.

Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe M" <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
To: <small-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:42 AM
Subject: [small-list] Re: Front Brake Pads


>
> Brand new rotors on my, still squeals.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of David Cooley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:33 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [small-list] Re: Front Brake Pads
>
>
>
> If you have the rotors turned, the squeel will disappear.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Crain
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:22 PM
> > To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: [small-list] Re: Front Brake Pads
> >
> >
> >
> > I swapped Raybestos semi-metallic pads onto my '99 4x4 Ranger and
> > recommend
> > them unless you have a problem with the squealiness.  They work great,
> > don't dust as much as the stockers, and don't fade under hard use...but
> > they squeal like a pig every time I touch the pedal.  Cold, hot,
anywhere
> > in between, they squeal.  However, they're always there when I need
them.
> > Pick your priority.
> >
>
>
>


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:06:17 +0000
From: Adam McLaughlin <kd6poc jps.net>
Subject: Front Brake Pads


I like the performance friction pads, they make a lot less black dust and seem to
last for a long time.

Even on an Aerostar, which is notoriously tough on the brakes! My boss drives us to
work on Sundays up the mountain, and he gets 1.5 to 2 times the life out of his
pads using Carbon Metalic Performance Friction.

They're even good for rolling down steep hills without using engine compression
such as four wheeling in nuetral and going up and down steep hills like when
commuting over Calistoga Mountain and such.

Adam

Kevin Daxon wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Our '99 Ranger 4x2 Super Cab seems to be getting close to needing front brakes,
> I was just wondering what you guys who have replaced your pads with are using.
> Are you running stock Ford pads or is it okay to go with an aftermarket brand
> (like Napa).  What seems to last the longest? (a loaded question I know).  I'll
> be replacing them myself, and while I've replaced the pads on other makes of
> vehicles, I'm curious if there are any Ford specific tips or tricks I should
> know about.  FWIW I will be having the rotors machined during the process.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>         --Kevin        kdaxon nocccd.cc.ca.us
>         '99 Ranger 4x2 - Hers (smashed rear bumper :(
>         '93 Toyota T100 4x2 - Mine :-)


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From: "David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Front Brake Pads
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:11:55 -0500


How are they as far as wearing the rotors?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Adam McLaughlin
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 3:06 AM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [small-list] Front Brake Pads
>
>
>
> I like the performance friction pads, they make a lot less black
> dust and seem to
> last for a long time.
>
> Even on an Aerostar, which is notoriously tough on the brakes! My
> boss drives us to
> work on Sundays up the mountain, and he gets 1.5 to 2 times the
> life out of his
> pads using Carbon Metalic Performance Friction.
>
> They're even good for rolling down steep hills without using
> engine compression
> such as four wheeling in nuetral and going up and down steep
> hills like when
> commuting over Calistoga Mountain and such.


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 08:31:45 -0800
From: kevin daxon <kdaxon nocccd.cc.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Front Brake Pads


>

Thanks for the great advice David and everyone else who responded! This little tip
about not pushing fluid back into the master cylinder from the calipers was exactly
what I was hoping to get!  I'll probably stay away from the Raybestos since so many
seem to have experienced excess noise.  Luckily I have a Napa less than a mile from
my house.  I am glad to see that it seems we've gotten about the same mileage as at
least some on the list have reported (~20,000 miles) Do the aftermarket Napa or
Autozone pads seem to last longer?

Thanks again for the great input everybody!

       --Kevin (KF6WRO)
       Orange County, Ca
       '99 Ranger 4x2 - Hers
       '93 Toyota T100 4x2 - Mine

> From: "David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Front Brake Pads
> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:19:15 -0500
>
> The NAPA Application Engineered pads have worked the best of any I have ever
> had... They last a long time, do not wear the rotor more than stock, and
> stop great.  Price is reasonable as well...
> BIG word of warning... if you have ABS, DO NOT push the fluid in the
> calipers back up into the master cylinder... you will trash the ABS unit
> (only $800.00 or so...).  Open the bleeder and let the fluid out the bleeder
> as you collapse the caliper.
>


------------------------------

From: "David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Front Brake Pads
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:35:58 -0500


I've got almost 30K on my NAPA AE pads, and I just had the wheels off this
weekend to inspect them...  About 50% of the pads left and all is well...


>
> Thanks for the great advice David and everyone else who
> responded! This little tip
> about not pushing fluid back into the master cylinder from the
> calipers was exactly
> what I was hoping to get!  I'll probably stay away from the
> Raybestos since so many
> seem to have experienced excess noise.  Luckily I have a Napa
> less than a mile from
> my house.  I am glad to see that it seems we've gotten about the
> same mileage as at
> least some on the list have reported (~20,000 miles) Do the
> aftermarket Napa or
> Autozone pads seem to last longer?


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:01:30 -0500
From: Kevin Crain <kevin warpten.com>
Subject: Re: Front Brake Pads


Not in my case.  The Raybestos pads came with steel plates which I
installed as directed.

Gotta say I was very impressed with the calipers on my Ranger.  Dual-piston
calipers on a truck is pretty kickin'.

At 06:54 AM 1/10/01 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Sound as if they left out the anti squeal gunk on the back of the pads.
>
>Chris
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe M" <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
>To: <small-list ford-trucks.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 6:42 AM
>Subject: [small-list] Re: Front Brake Pads
>
>
>>
>> Brand new rotors on my, still squeals.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
>> [mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of David Cooley
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:33 PM
>> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: [small-list] Re: Front Brake Pads
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have the rotors turned, the squeel will disappear.
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
>> > [mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Crain
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 7:22 PM
>> > To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>> > Subject: [small-list] Re: Front Brake Pads
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I swapped Raybestos semi-metallic pads onto my '99 4x4 Ranger and
>> > recommend
>> > them unless you have a problem with the squealiness.  They work great,
>> > don't dust as much as the stockers, and don't fade under hard use...but
>> > they squeal like a pig every time I touch the pedal.  Cold, hot,
>anywhere
>> > in between, they squeal.  However, they're always there when I need
>them.
>> > Pick your priority.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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From: "David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Front Brake Pads
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:56:44 -0500


If it's just steel plates, then that won't help...
Need to buy a tube (bottle) of the Orange or Blue anti-squeal... You put it
on the back of the pad and the plate...
Damps the vibrations... Used to be that the Pads came with a small tube of
it, now they don't...



> Not in my case.  The Raybestos pads came with steel plates which I
> installed as directed.
>
> Gotta say I was very impressed with the calipers on my Ranger.
> Dual-piston
> calipers on a truck is pretty kickin'.
>


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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:51:55 -0500
From: Kevin Crain <kevin warpten.com>
Subject: Re: Front Brake Pads


Ah ha!  I've seen this stuff on the shelf.  If the pads have much life left
after this Winter I'll grab a tube and apply some.  For now I don't care if
they squeal, just need it to get me home in the NJ snow.

At 06:56 PM 1/10/01 -0500, you wrote:
>
>If it's just steel plates, then that won't help...
>Need to buy a tube (bottle) of the Orange or Blue anti-squeal... You put it
>on the back of the pad and the plate...
>Damps the vibrations... Used to be that the Pads came with a small tube of
>it, now they don't...
>
>
>
>> Not in my case.  The Raybestos pads came with steel plates which I
>> installed as directed.
>>
>> Gotta say I was very impressed with the calipers on my Ranger.
>> Dual-piston
>> calipers on a truck is pretty kickin'.
>>
>
>
>

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Date: 10 Jan 01 20:00:48 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: QRM


"Bob Harlan" <ak7s home.com> wrote:
>
> Here is information from several newsgroup notes I saved.....
> I have not tried any of this.
>
> Have the Ford dealer checkout service bulletin  "Tech serv. bulletin
> 98-7-3".   Or try rfi filter Part# F1PZ-18B925-A

I've had good luck on the noises with the mentioned fixes for ignition/fuel
pump etc. but has anyone found a cure for that terrible noise older Ford wiper
motors make?  I've tried extra Ground straps, different antenna locations and
such with not much change...  Kinda inconvienient to turn off the wipers to
receive messages sometimes. :-)

Tim

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Date: 10 Jan 01 20:19:29 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: ODB II question]


"Joe M" <merchjo bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
> David
>
> Is that what you normally do?  I can see why Ford would put a stupid code
> for this,

Essentially (as noted earlier in more detail) OBD-II sees that the evaporative
emission system isn't performing properly and as with anything that might
raise overall emissions turns on that old "Check Wallet" er.. "Check Engine"
light.

> especially in NJ here were we can't pump our own gas and we have
> stupid kids who don't care how they close your cap.

Can't pump your own gas?  WoW!  Intelligent legislation at it's finest.  After
leaving the station check that the cap 'clicks' a few times on tightening.
(I'd say do it before leaving the station, but that might raise the
attendant's blood pressure a bit...  kinda irks me a bit when a customer pops
open the hood before leaving after a repair; I see the logic, but ...)

> code when my fuel cap is not installed properly.  I am getting tired of
> taken to ford and having them reset the code.

Next time you're there have the dealer check for any TSBs relating to the
code; there are a LOT of vehicles on the road with revised (looser) testing
strategies for the Evap system available.  Involves re-programming the
computer so it's essentially a dealer thing.  (*May* fix other small bugs at
the same time as the latest program level will be used..)


Tim

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From: chuckbadger netscape.net
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:11:38 -0500
Subject: Re: ODB II question


Tim,

You use OBD-II equipment in your shop.  What OBD-II software would you
recommend for the home mechanic?  I have seen several out there, ranging from
$150-$500 or more, usually using a laptop computer.

Chuck

small-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
>
>
> "Joe M" <merchjo bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> >
> > David
> >
> > Is that what you normally do?  I can see why Ford would put a stupid code
> > for this,
>
> Essentially (as noted earlier in more detail) OBD-II sees that the
evaporative
> emission system isn't performing properly and as with anything that might
> raise overall emissions turns on that old "Check Wallet" er.. "Check
Engine"
> light.
>
> > especially in NJ here were we can't pump our own gas and we have
> > stupid kids who don't care how they close your cap.
>
> Can't pump your own gas?  WoW!  Intelligent legislation at it's finest.
 After
> leaving the station check that the cap 'clicks' a few times on tightening.
> (I'd say do it before leaving the station, but that might raise the
> attendant's blood pressure a bit...  kinda irks me a bit when a customer
pops
> open the hood before leaving after a repair; I see the logic, but ...)
>
> > code when my fuel cap is not installed properly.  I am getting tired of
> > taken to ford and having them reset the code.
>
> Next time you're there have the dealer check for any TSBs relating to the
> code; there are a LOT of vehicles on the road with revised (looser) testing
> strategies for the Evap system available.  Involves re-programming the
> computer so it's essentially a dealer thing.  (*May* fix other small bugs at
> the same time as the latest program level will be used..)
>
>
> Tim
>
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From: "David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: ODB II question
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:43:44 -0500


Chuck,
If you have a laptop, check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.obd-2.com/
Alex sells a really nice setup a LOT cheaper than anyone else... his is
designed to let the DIY'er play with OBD-II and not have to spend a fortune.


-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of
chuckbadger netscape.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:12 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: ODB II question



Tim,

You use OBD-II equipment in your shop.  What OBD-II software would you
recommend for the home mechanic?  I have seen several out there, ranging
from
$150-$500 or more, usually using a laptop computer.

Chuck

small-list ford-trucks.com wrote:
>
>
> "Joe M" <merchjo bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> >
> > David
> >
> > Is that what you normally do?  I can see why Ford would put a stupid
code
> > for this,
>
> Essentially (as noted earlier in more detail) OBD-II sees that the
evaporative
> emission system isn't performing properly and as with anything that might
> raise overall emissions turns on that old "Check Wallet" er.. "Check
Engine"
> light.
>
> > especially in NJ here were we can't pump our own gas and we have
> > stupid kids who don't care how they close your cap.
>
> Can't pump your own gas?  WoW!  Intelligent legislation at it's finest.
 After
> leaving the station check that the cap 'clicks' a few times on tightening.
> (I'd say do it before leaving the station, but that might raise the
> attendant's blood pressure a bit...  kinda irks me a bit when a customer
pops
> open the hood before leaving after a repair; I see the logic, but ...)
>
> > code when my fuel cap is not installed properly.  I am getting tired of
> > taken to ford and having them reset the code.
>
> Next time you're there have the dealer check for any TSBs relating to the
> code; there are a LOT of vehicles on the road with revised (looser)
testing
> strategies for the Evap system available.  Involves re-programming the
> computer so it's essentially a dealer thing.  (*May* fix other small bugs
at
> the same time as the latest program level will be used..)
>
>
> Tim
>
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Date: 10 Jan 01 21:46:48 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [I failed my first smog!!]


Adam McLaughlin <kd6poc jps.net> wrote:
>
> Is anyone familiar with any smog work to help me get into the passing
> area? Here is what happens:
>
> Tim, this maybe something for you to tell me about!

I can try!  :-)

>
> Here is what happens at idle.
>
> HC 1390 ppm

Lots of fuel not being burned...

> CO2: 10.7 %

Kinda low, but understandable with the other numbers.

> Co: 5.94 %

WOW!  Even with dead cat I'd expect a lot less.

> O2: 2.3 %

Close enough.

> As you can see, WAY to rich.

Yep!


>
> So, I went home, pulled the codes, got a 1,1. I was a little bit
> stumped, so I checked the idle voltage at the green wire of the TPS when
> the plate is fully closed and it was where it should be, .9VDC.
>
> I went to Napa and got a set of new .44 plugs (Autolite) a new brass
> cap, and a new brass rotor, and a new O2 sensor. Set me back $112. Owie!

44?  That doesn't sound like the right plug number for a 2.9: the right gap
might be .044" though.  (Or am I getting confused on who has/hasn't installed
a 5.0; yours is still a (mostly) stock 2.9 but with a chopped top & a lift
correct?)

> good, tips were a mixture of grey and orange.

The grey indicating on the rich side as we already knew.

> I checked the compression, and every cylinder hit at least 140 PSI on
> the first stroke, and by the third they were all at 165. Things seem in
> order...

Sounds pretty good to me.

> Could the cats have gone bad?

Possibly; but given the care you usually take of the truck probably not.  New
ones *might* mask the problem long enough to smog, but better to find the root
cause first to prevent damage to the new one(s).

> The smog
> guy suggested the O2 sensor,

Certainly a good possibility, but didn't you replace it a year or so ago?

> and perhaps since my original cats were
> still on the truck that they might be due for service too. 172K+ miles
> on the ticker.
>
> I don't know what to think. I get 17 city MPG, and 19 HWY on 92 octane.
>
> The computer chip I got from James Duff says that nothing is adjusted in
> the emmissions, and the new ADS Super Injectors are CARB certified.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions?

Original 2.9 or?  Fuel pressure regulator could be a possibility, Ohming the
coolant and intake air sensors might be in order, couldn't hurt to check the
PCV valve, unlikely to have a drooling injector since they're new.  I could be
wrong but I don't think you've got a vacuum/intake leak since the O2 reading
sounds about right.  (note.. been 11 years since I was using 4/5 gas readings
but I'm confident on the numbers being close to Zero on HC, CO, roughly 14-15
CO2 and not so sure but thinking around 2 for O2 when all is in order
including the cats.)  MAP sensor could be buggy as well; drag the scope out of
the Ham shack and look for a good square wave; I'm thinking around 130 Hz to
90 Hz from KOEO to Idling (assuming 20" Hg vacuum at idle and at Sea leve).
Inspect the vacuum hose  to it as well; any 'jelly' inside it means the MAP's
coming apart and of course any splits/soft spots are lowering the vacuum
signal to the MAP with a corresponding increase in fuel.

Let me know what you find; I know I've been kinda lax in the mail lately
(trying to fix & clean house so I can sell it for a better place!), but I'll
check in here and there.

Tim

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Date: 10 Jan 01 22:03:57 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: alignment success]


Dukedad777 aol.com wrote:
>
> Well folks , a bit of persistance and your input paid off.  After getting it

> back from the second alignment attempt at the same shop with a straightened

> steering wheel but still a pronounced pull to the right, I had the front
> wheels swapped right to left and now she goes down the road nice and
> straight.

FWIW  I've solved more 'pull' problems by tire swapping than I have
alignments.  The fun part comes when someone 'aligns' the vehicle out of specs
to correct a pull and succeeds... next set of tires and WHAM it pulls again!
Had one Monday that an out of town shop had aligned after new tires with a
pull; other shop willing to re-imburse the customer for a local alignment
(Nice policy!) Test drive and notice a slight 'thrumming' at low speed in the
front; swap the new tires to the rear and the oldies to the front and no pull.
As an aside I've solved toe problems by simply removing the wheel and
fastening it *properly*  (As in torqued and in sequence rather than air gunned
on.)

Tim


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Date: 10 Jan 01 22:12:01 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Front Brake Pads]


"David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com> wrote:

> BIG word of warning... if you have ABS, DO NOT push the fluid in the
> calipers back up into the master cylinder... you will trash the ABS unit
> (only $800.00 or so...).  Open the bleeder and let the fluid out the
bleeder
> as you collapse the caliper.


AMEN!  Good idea regardless of ABS or not.  ;-)

Tim

PS:  Noticed the 'rr' in the address; like the speed?  :-)

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Date: 10 Jan 01 22:19:10 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Front Brake Pads]


"David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
> If you have the rotors turned, the squeel will disappear.

I WISH it was that simple...  SO many things I've tried on various vehicles
for comebacks; sometimes  for whatever reason nothing seems to work but *new*
pads and rotors from the dealer.

Tim

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Date: 10 Jan 01 22:35:15 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Fuses]


"Ron & Madeline Trampe" <telh frontiernet.net> wrote:

> kill the dash lights and tail lights. As Steve said, it might be best to
> just check them all. If you don't have one, an ohmmeter/voltmeter in a very
> valuable thing to have, especially for things like this. They don't cost
> much. Just go to Radio Shack or some such place. I have two of  them.

Since the plastic fuses have a testing point on 'em a test light is even
cheaper!  :-)  Hook it to ground and touch the two metal points.  A good fuse
will light the test light on both contacts but a blown one will only light on
one side.  Quick & easy, but the Voltmeter is nice to have for anything deeper
than that!  (Seen fuses that were blown but still conducted a small amount of
current somehow.)

Tim


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Date: 10 Jan 01 22:39:40 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Front Brake Pads]


"Joe M" <merchjo bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
> I just got Raybestos installed on my 99 after the factory eat my rotors
> (only 33K)...

FWIW rotors don't have as much 'cuttable' meat on 'em as they used to in some
cases.  I'm replacing a lot more rotors than I did 15 years ago.  :-(

Tim

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Date: 10 Jan 01 22:55:49 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Front Brake Pads]


"Greg Hopper" <ghopper hiwaay.net> wrote:
>
> I've been impressed with the Performance Friction carbon metallic pads on
my
> Ranger.

Agreed they do well.

> they have a lifetime warranty, so it should be the only set you have to
buy.

Hah!  :-)  No such thing as lifetime brakes.  They're assuming you'll get rid
of the car before they wear out *OR* you'll need other brake parts at the next ....


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