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small-list Digest Wed, 17 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 013

In This Issue:
Re: Explorer Pinging!
Re: tire upgrade
Re: tire upgrade
Re: tire upgrade
Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L
Brakes on Ranger '98 4x4 4.0L
Re: Explorer V8
Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L
Factory 6 CD changer
Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L
Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L
Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:21:14 -0500
From: Joe Merchak <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Explorer Pinging!


They replaced the computer, no luck

David Cooley wrote:

> > I did find out from a mechanic at the Ford dealer that the pinging is a
> > known problem with trucks with the 4.1 rear ends of coarse, Ford
> > has no know
> > fix.
>
> I found out from a different list that this problem has been caused by a
> "batch" of rangers and explorers leaving the factory with the wrong EEC
> installed.  After the dealer replaced/reflashed the computer, the ping went
> away.


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From: "Midnight" <m.midnightranger verizon.net>
Subject: Re: tire upgrade
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:15:14 -0500


Go with 31x10.5x15 Super Swamper Radials mounted on American Racing "Nitro"
wheels or "Atlas" wheels


------------------------------

From: "Keith Christensen" <radiopro kendra.com>
Subject: Re: tire upgrade
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:11:12 -0800

>From: "chris earls" <cdetor hotmail.com>
>Subject: tire upgrade
>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:32:24
>
>
>Im looking at ditching my stock rims and tires for my 86 ranger
2WD.
>I would like to stuff as much tire in the wells as possible without
it
>hanging out or having to install a lift kit. Any suggestions on 15"
rims and
>all terrain tires?
>
> Chris

One "stock" rim in 15" that's known to work on both 2WD and 4WD
earlier Rangers and B II's :
(Verified on Dad's 84 2wd Ranger that was OEM'ed with 4.5"w 14" rims
with 185-14 tires (gag!) and my 88 B II 4wd. )

Late 70's up to about '87 or so-- Mopar "pursuit/ralley" rims off
cop  cars.  There are some variations - some are 7.50" wide and some
are 7.75" wide (inside the "cheeks', true width).

Center hole is correct, accepts standard lugnuts, offset factor is
almost the same as the Ford rims (keeps the rims inside the
fenderwell and creates less alignment problems ). Nice big slots for
brake cooling.  Not as impressive looking as GM's Ralley's, but not
bad.
Most have "bumps" to accept small hubcaps or baby moons, and the
trim rings off the Big Bronco/ F150 (styled steel wheels- the ones
with the red stripe(s) ) fit and look good.
DAMNED STRONG-- and not bad on weight.

They are getting rare, but still fairly easy to find in areas that
had "mostly Mopar" police fleets.

If you can find an aftermarket rim that duplicates the offset of
this wheel, grab it!  Most "off the shelf" aftemarket rims put too
much rim out of the wheelwell. 7" aftermarket rims will often cause
severe fender rub front and back.

Another one is the styled steel or OEM mags off the 93 on up
Ranger/Explorers--


Tire size -- The 2wd Ranger's running the 215R70 15 in an
all-weather (215 was what the copcar came with stock ) I'd guess
that you could probably go up to a 235 depending on variables, maybe
even a 245 .  Some 30x9.5s  may clear.. Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV)
on this one.  Never had any rub with the 215's

Another one is the styled steel or OEM mags off the 93 on up
Ranger/Explorers--

I'm running 245/70 -15 Dunlop Rover Touring LT's  on the B II, and
they've been good in all but deep-sloppy mud, but biased toward wet
highway/road ice-snow. The 245's will rub on the back bottom side of
the wheelwell and fenders occasionally... but not severe.
Dunlop's got about 5 different treadstyles.. pick what you want, but
I've had good luck with them .



Hope this helps...






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From: "Larry Brown" <lbrown53 bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: tire upgrade
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 03:07:35 -0600


Will those fit without modifying the fenders??

----- Original Message -----
From: Midnight <m.midnightranger verizon.net>
To: <small-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 10:15 PM
Subject: [small-list] Re: tire upgrade


>
> Go with 31x10.5x15 Super Swamper Radials mounted on American Racing
"Nitro"
> wheels or "Atlas" wheels
>
>
>


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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:20:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Springer <jim_springer yahoo.com>
Subject: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L


I have been reading the list for quite awhile and have
picked up some valuable information so was wondering
if anyone has experienced this on there pickups.

I have a '98 extended cab 4x4 with the 4.0l and
2.65x15 tires.  The brakes have never been good.  It
has ABS on the rear only.  No matter how hard I push
the pedal it will not lock up the front wheels on dry
pavement.  The brakes are very hard.  I just had new
pads put on at 40,000 miles.  Put the Raybestos
extreme duty on and had the rotors turned with a swirl
finish.  The brakes are still very hard.  The mechanic
suggested changing the vacuum assist says he has had
problems with them on other Fords.  Earlier when I
took it to the dealer they claimed all of them are
like that, and I did test drive a newer model and it
was a little better but still would not lock the front
wheels.

Was wondering what your experiences have been with the
brakes on this vehicle and if anyone has any
suggestions.  Hate to throw parts at it if this is the
best the brakes will get.

Thank for any information you all can provide

Jim Springer -personal opinions served here
"A well traveled man with wide experience knows many
things and talks sense. You can't know much if you
haven't experienced much, but travel can make you more
clever."
-- Ben Sirach 34: 9-12



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From: Jim-Springer <JSpringer OfficeDepot.com>
Subject: Brakes on Ranger '98 4x4 4.0L
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:16:28 -0500



I have been reading the list for quite awhile and have picked up some
valuable information so was wondering if anyone has experienced this on
there pickups.

I have a '98 extended cab 4x4 with the 4.0l and 2.65x15 tires.  The brakes
have never been good.  It has ABS on the rear only.  No matter how hard I
push the pedal it will not lock up the front wheels on dry pavement.  The
brakes are very hard.  I just had new pads put on at 40,000 miles.  Put the
Raybestos extreme duty on and had the rotors turned with a swirl finish.
The brakes are still very hard.  The mechanic suggested changing the vacuum
assist says he has had problems with them on other Fords.  Earlier when I
took it to the dealer they claimed all of them are like that, and I did test
drive a newer model and it was a little better but still would not lock the
front wheels.

Was wondering what your experiences have been with the brakes on this
vehicle and if anyone has any suggestions.  Hate to throw parts at it if
this is the best the brakes will get.

Thank for any information you all can provide

Jim Springer -personal opinions served here
"A well traveled man with wide experience knows many things and talks sense.
You can't know much if you haven't experienced much, but travel can make you
more clever."
-- Ben Sirach 34: 9-12




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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:49:59 -0600
From: Danny Balusek <danny_b ieee.org>
Subject: Re: Explorer V8



> From: "David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Explorers - V8 4X4
> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:35:58 -0500


> The V8 was offered with either 2WD or AWD beginning in 1996.
> All explorer V8's from 1996 thru 2001 use the 5.0L V8.  Starting in 2002,
> Ford is dumping the 5.0 and using the 4.6L V8.


Just curious but how are they going to put the 4.6L V8 into an Explorer?
I didn't think it would fit (too wide).


Regards,

Danny B

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:49:52 -0500
From: Phil Snider <pms2 cdc.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L


Jim,

Yep, been there.  I have 98 extended cab 4 door 2x4 with 4.0.  I have
complained about the brakes from the first day I picked up the truck.
That was 60,000 miles ago.  You literally have to stand on the brakes to
stop the truck coming out of my semi-steep driveway.  Panic stops are
just that....panic city.  I plan ahead for braking.

After 3 rotor turnings (warped rotors),  they replaced the rotors and
pads at 33,000 miles.  12,000 miles later they warped again.  Rears have
been turned and replaced.....to no avail.  Right before it went out of
warranty, I complained heavily.  I told the service manager to just
bleed the brake lines to see if that would help and if it didn't then
replace the master cyclinder.  They did both.  Didn't help.  I also got
the same story line of "they all do that".   I test drove a 99 and the
pedal was  low on it too.

I did post a query to a "ask your question to a tech expert" here on the
internet and a Ford brake man replied......Ford brakes normally go low
to the floor and he suggested replacing the RABS valve.  I talked with
the service manager and I'm supposed to get that replaced when the part
comes in.  That was at the end of Decemeber.

I do know the 98's anti-locks were redesigned from what they were in
97.  In the 98 you will see the brake lines going into a brass block
with an electrical connection (for the solenoid I believe.)   I read
somewhere about a proportioning valve for the rears and thought that
might be it, but 98's don't have...the 97's do.

And then there was the time I thought they fixed it....good pedal and
reasonable effort.  Trouble was, after a test drive with the service
manager I smelled brakes burning.  They had adjusted the rears too
high.  Good service is hard to come by.

My theory on the whole thing is that the rears aren't doing the job.
Why?? Who knows?.

So that's my story.  Now ask me about what they've done about the
electric windows chattering when you roll them down.

Phil


Jim Springer wrote:

> I have been reading the list for quite awhile and have
> picked up some valuable information so was wondering
> if anyone has experienced this on there pickups.
>
> I have a '98 extended cab 4x4 with the 4.0l and
> 2.65x15 tires.  The brakes have never been good.  It
> has ABS on the rear only.  No matter how hard I push
> the pedal it will not lock up the front wheels on dry
> pavement.  The brakes are very hard.  I just had new
> pads put on at 40,000 miles.  Put the Raybestos
> extreme duty on and had the rotors turned with a swirl
> finish.  The brakes are still very hard.  The mechanic
> suggested changing the vacuum assist says he has had
> problems with them on other Fords.  Earlier when I
> took it to the dealer they claimed all of them are
> like that, and I did test drive a newer model and it
> was a little better but still would not lock the front
> wheels.
>
> Was wondering what your experiences have been with the
> brakes on this vehicle and if anyone has any
> suggestions.  Hate to throw parts at it if this is the
> best the brakes will get.
>
> Thank for any information you all can provide
>
> Jim Springer -personal opinions served here
> "A well traveled man with wide experience knows many
> things and talks sense. You can't know much if you
> haven't experienced much, but travel can make you more
> clever."
> -- Ben Sirach 34: 9-12
>
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> Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
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------------------------------

From: BiggRanger aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:42:54 EST
Subject: Factory 6 CD changer

I'm wondering if anybody here has the factory 6 CD changer in their Ranger. I
have the radio with the CD buttons on it (1997 Ranger with the 2 x din
radio). I've traced the wire harness to the passenger kick panel where it
plugs into another harness that goes to the amplifier. Does anybody know the
pinout of that cable? I've picked up a factory changer and would like to hook
it up without buying a harness. And it looks like there is a different
harness that goes from the kick panel to the amp and the changer.

Thank you for any help.


Darren



------------------------------

From: "Joe M" <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:55:03 -0500


Dude

You must be hard as hell on your brakes to warp that many rotors.  I have a
99 4x4 and I just replaced the brakes at 33K.  The brakes were great up to
this point and since I put on Raybestos, the brakes cant be better (except
for the squeal).

-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Phil Snider
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:50 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L



Jim,

Yep, been there.  I have 98 extended cab 4 door 2x4 with 4.0.  I have
complained about the brakes from the first day I picked up the truck.
That was 60,000 miles ago.  You literally have to stand on the brakes to
stop the truck coming out of my semi-steep driveway.  Panic stops are
just that....panic city.  I plan ahead for braking.

After 3 rotor turnings (warped rotors),  they replaced the rotors and
pads at 33,000 miles.  12,000 miles later they warped again.  Rears have
been turned and replaced.....to no avail.  Right before it went out of
warranty, I complained heavily.  I told the service manager to just
bleed the brake lines to see if that would help and if it didn't then
replace the master cyclinder.  They did both.  Didn't help.  I also got
the same story line of "they all do that".   I test drove a 99 and the
pedal was  low on it too.

I did post a query to a "ask your question to a tech expert" here on the
internet and a Ford brake man replied......Ford brakes normally go low
to the floor and he suggested replacing the RABS valve.  I talked with
the service manager and I'm supposed to get that replaced when the part
comes in.  That was at the end of Decemeber.

I do know the 98's anti-locks were redesigned from what they were in
97.  In the 98 you will see the brake lines going into a brass block
with an electrical connection (for the solenoid I believe.)   I read
somewhere about a proportioning valve for the rears and thought that
might be it, but 98's don't have...the 97's do.

And then there was the time I thought they fixed it....good pedal and
reasonable effort.  Trouble was, after a test drive with the service
manager I smelled brakes burning.  They had adjusted the rears too
high.  Good service is hard to come by.

My theory on the whole thing is that the rears aren't doing the job.
Why?? Who knows?.

So that's my story.  Now ask me about what they've done about the
electric windows chattering when you roll them down.

Phil



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:04:11 -0500
From: Phil Snider <pms2 cdc.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L


Joe,

I'm not that hard on brakes.  I now know the rules of engagement for warped
rotors though.  If they warp once, there ain't no since in turning them because
they will warp again.  Ford dealer kept turning them until they couldn't be
turned no more, which pushed me closer and closer to the end of the warranty
each time.  Toward the end of the warranty, they had to replace the rotors.
14,000 miles later, they warp again.  No more warranty, still lousy brakes AND
it's my nickel now.

Hopefully, Jim and I can find a resolution to our brake problem, which is....it
won't stop very well unless you put your foot through the floor.

Phil


Joe M wrote:

> Dude
>
> You must be hard as hell on your brakes to warp that many rotors.  I have a
> 99 4x4 and I just replaced the brakes at 33K.  The brakes were great up to
> this point and since I put on Raybestos, the brakes cant be better (except
> for the squeal).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Phil Snider
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:50 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [small-list] Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L
>
> Jim,
>
> Yep, been there.  I have 98 extended cab 4 door 2x4 with 4.0.  I have
> complained about the brakes from the first day I picked up the truck.


------------------------------

From: "Joe M" <merchjo bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:16:48 -0500


Well good Phil and I hope you get it resolved....

-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Phil Snider
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:04 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L



Joe,

I'm not that hard on brakes.  I now know the rules of engagement for warped
rotors though.  If they warp once, there ain't no since in turning them
because
they will warp again.  Ford dealer kept turning them until they couldn't be
turned no more, which pushed me closer and closer to the end of the warranty
each time.  Toward the end of the warranty, they had to replace the rotors.
14,000 miles later, they warp again.  No more warranty, still lousy brakes
AND
it's my nickel now.

Hopefully, Jim and I can find a resolution to our brake problem, which
is....it
won't stop very well unless you put your foot through the floor.

Phil


Joe M wrote:

> Dude
>
> You must be hard as hell on your brakes to warp that many rotors.  I have
a
> 99 4x4 and I just replaced the brakes at 33K.  The brakes were great up to
> this point and since I put on Raybestos, the brakes cant be better (except
> for the squeal).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Phil Snider
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:50 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [small-list] Re: Brakes on '98 4x4 4.0L ....


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