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small-list Digest Mon, 15 Jan 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 012

In This Issue:
Re: [Explorer Pinging!]
Re: [Screwed up connector on the gas filter.]
Re: [Re: Anti Virus]
Re: Explorer Pinging!
Re: Explorer Pinging!
Re: Screwed up connector on the gas filter.
Re: Anti Virus
Explorers - V8 4X4
Re: Explorers - V8 4X4
Re: Explorers - V8 4X4
list removal
tire upgrade
Re: [Explorer Pinging!]
Re: [Explorer Pinging!]

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Date: 15 Jan 01 22:25:17 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Explorer Pinging!]


"Ron,Marge,Ted" <rmtsadu sunlink.net> wrote:
> Hi Tim...here's one for you if you don't mind.

OK.

> My wife's 94 Explorer with 56K on it has started pinging around 2 years ago.
Tried different brands of gas, and premium gas as well...still pings.

How badly?  A couple quick "ticks" when you put your foot down aren't
abnormal.

> Had one dealer service it and said it had a partially blocked fuel filter.
He said it causes it to run lean and therefore pings.

Possibly.  I'd be more worried about damage to the fuel pump myself.  It's
amazing how much more Ampereage a pump draws when it's fighting a blocked
filter.  (At 56K I doubt you need to worry much, but a pressure test might be
a good idea; meant the warning for gen'l info.  A filter every 30K or so is
cheaper than a pump and filter at 100K.)

> So after a new filter it still pinged. On to dealer number 2, he says can't
find anything wrong with it and said I should only use regular fuel as the
high test can actually cause pinging because of the additives in it
carbonizing...go figure.

Agreed!!  Not very scientific (or safe!) but take two Pyrex plates and burn a
spoonful of regular & Hi-Test on 'em and see which leaves more residue.

> Dealer number 3 said it needed O2 sensors

Did they mention any codes about being Lean?

> and also he decarbonized the valves with some kind of additive he put in the
fuel rail. That seemed to help a LITTLE, but afterawhile it still pings as
usual.

*Some* of those work very well, some not so well.  ;-)

> Dealer then told me it is characteristic of the 3.0 and 4.0 V6s to ping and
not to worry about it....I don't buy that one! I had someone on this list
tell me to clean the MAF sensor elements with electrical cleaner or brak!
> e cleaner which I did, but still no difference.

Do you know someone with a similar vehicle that would swap MAFs for a day?
Although usually not mentioned (or if it is, not noticed) in the diagnostic
charts for Lean or Knock the MAF were certainly do it.  Cleaning may or may
not help, so the (non)result there doesn't rule it out.

I'm running out of ideas

Could be some EGR problems, but generally speaking the Ford system is good for
tripping a code if there's a fault there.

> and worry that my wife will eventually knock a piston out of it.

Judging from what I've seen that's not too much of an issue.  Had a Geo
Tracker the other day with the center electrodes hammered out of the plugs in
1 & 2  with almost new looking plugs in 3 & 4; pistons and Head looked OK upon
teardown.  (It had head gasket and valve leakage on 1 & 2)

> I read somewhere that if all else fails, there is an octane shorting bar in
the harness that can be removed to retard the timing,

Or installed; forget which.  :-)

> but that doing so will cause a loss of power and gas mileage...don't want to
do that :) Any ideas would be appreciated.

Almost un-noticeable; AIR it's only a 2-4 Degree retard.  Might want to do
some research about TSBs for same as well.  I'd volunteer but my free time has
gone to crap lately.  <sigh>

Tim
>                                                 Ron
>


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Date: 15 Jan 01 22:31:40 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Screwed up connector on the gas filter.]


"Joey Ramsey" <joepr hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey,
>   On my 99 f-150 there are 2 line connectors on either side of the gas
> filter, I have never seen this kind before, and cant seem to get them to
> budge.  There is also a hook type deal on each, that I think has something
> to do with getting them off, but I cant seem to get either off..
>       -Joe


Does it look like a small plastic "Horseshoe" clip on each end or a circular
clip inside the lines?  The horseshoe type can be yanked out and replaced
(should come with the filter) but the inside type requires a special release
tool.

Tim


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Date: 15 Jan 01 23:14:21 EST
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Anti Virus]


Jon and Jody <psycho direct.ca> wrote:
>
> From personal experience, Norton is a superior product.

Agreed; ThunderByte was my favorite but sadly the buyer of it discontinued
updates and to my tests the replacement is MUCH slower.  I'm deciding on a
replacement product in the interim.


Lots to do this weekend, but spent most of it downloading, installing,
checking a few various programz as I don't want to be kicked off 'forever'.  I
didn't find any I was happy with it.  At the moment I'm using 'VCatch', 'Cat's
Claw' (Norman), and 'Black Ice' + 'Hack Tracer' for firewalls.  Of course now
my system is unstable until I get them working in harmony..  Scrapped 10 CD-R
disks trying to burn one back-up PSX CD before I said the HELL with it for
tonight.  I needed to get the Firewall(s) in place before we get cable/DSL
here at the house (Black Ice would be among my recommended!), but I didn't
expect to spend my off time to be 100% sure my e-mail from a remote server
(Netscape.net) to a 'secured' server was virus free.

Do I understand Ken's View-point?  You betcha!!  Been there and been infected.
Ken certainly isn't the only one depending on the 'Net to make the mortgage
payments and an attack on his computers is an attack on his family.  *BUT* if
my virus files are a day out of date and a new one pops up at that time and I
unwittingly pass it on and it's caught by his software?  Tough call for a
SysOP and it's been made.

Off my soap-box now and going to help my fiancee on her revenue producing
site...

Tim

>
> To keep this post on topic, 98% of my computer's harddrive space is
dedicated to
> Fords.
>
> Blue coyote
>
> ROlson1039 aol.com wrote:
>
> > I don't know if its wise to put a non Ford comment on this list but for
the
> > sake of everyone relating to the antivirus thing, Nortons makes an
> > inexpensive anti virus software that is not only quite good  but comes
with
> > updates. Im not all that computer savvy  but my computer geek tells me
that
> > this is one of the better values with  Anti Virus Software. Mc Affees is
also
> > pretty good and is also on the inexpensive side.
>


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From: "David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Explorer Pinging!
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:02:37 -0500


> I did find out from a mechanic at the Ford dealer that the pinging is a
> known problem with trucks with the 4.1 rear ends of coarse, Ford
> has no know
> fix.

I found out from a different list that this problem has been caused by a
"batch" of rangers and explorers leaving the factory with the wrong EEC
installed.  After the dealer replaced/reflashed the computer, the ping went
away.


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From: "David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Explorer Pinging!
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:07:57 -0500


That's the other problem with the 4.0's I remember... Intake bolts like to
loosen up and allow the intake to suck oil vapor from the lifter valley,
causing a ping.  Sometimes if you catch it soon enough, you can just
retorque the bolts and be good... Other times, the intake gaskets are
history and it requires replacing them.


>
> My 91 Explorer was making a lot of valve train noise (not sure if
> you would
> actually call it pinging) but however, the driver's side head was leaking,
> causing me to burn coolant, and the intake manifold gasket was
> shot.  After
> replacing both gaskets and one lifter (which would mainly peck on startup
> only), my problem was gone and no more noise.
>
> I would look at the manifold gasket and pull the spark plugs to make sure
> everything is burning ok.
> Good luck!
>
>


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From: "David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Screwed up connector on the gas filter.
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:13:12 -0500


There is a tool you need... NAPA sells a package of I think 6 sizes for 5
bucks... Slides into the connector on the fuel filter, then you push the
filter and line together slightly and seperate.   Make sure you relieve the
fuel pressure first.


> Hey,
>   On my 99 f-150 there are 2 line connectors on either side of the gas
> filter, I have never seen this kind before, and cant seem to get them to
> budge.  There is also a hook type deal on each, that I think has
> something
> to do with getting them off, but I cant seem to get either off..
>       -Joe


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From: "David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Anti Virus
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:21:43 -0500


Best one I have found is Norton Antivirus 2000


> -----Original Message-----
> From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Ron & Madeline
> Trampe
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 2:53 PM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [small-list] Anti Virus
>
>
>
> Ken,
> For those of us who are not real computer savy, what would you suggest for
> antivirus software. Or should I go to the company I bought the system from
> and take their suggestion.
> Ron Trampe
> telh frontiernet.net
>
>
> > In other words, if your system sends a virus, you can't
> > resubscribe ---- forever.  Yes, this is harsh, but the issue
> > is very serious.  What would you do if you received emails
> > with virus attachments 1-5 times per day?  If you don't have
> > anti-virus software, do yourself a favor and get it.  Then
> > run the update utility every week or two.
> >
> > Later,
> > Ken Payne
> > Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>
>
>


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From: "Azie L. Magnusson" <maggie11 HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Explorers - V8 4X4
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:19:29 -0600

I'm fairly new to this list, but have been on the 61-79 list since forever.
Need your help, since I know almost nothing about Explorers.
My Son is looking to buy an Explorer 4X4.
Were they ever offered from the factory with V8??
If yes, then what year was it introduced??
Which V8??  302 or new Triton??
If V8 is now offered, would it be fairly simple to retrofit into earlier model??
Are there kits available for this conversion??  Even if it was a later introduction..
Any body that has done this conversion in 4X4, would you contact me off list??
Maggie11 Hiwaay.net

Azie Magnusson
Ardmore, Al.


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From: "David Cooley" <n5xmt triad.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Explorers - V8 4X4
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 09:35:58 -0500


The V8 was offered with either 2WD or AWD beginning in 1996.
All explorer V8's from 1996 thru 2001 use the 5.0L V8.  Starting in 2002,
Ford is dumping the 5.0 and using the 4.6L V8.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Azie L. Magnusson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:19 AM
> To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [small-list] Explorers - V8 4X4
>
>
> I'm fairly new to this list, but have been on the 61-79 list
> since forever.
> Need your help, since I know almost nothing about Explorers.
> My Son is looking to buy an Explorer 4X4.
> Were they ever offered from the factory with V8??
> If yes, then what year was it introduced??
> Which V8??  302 or new Triton??
> If V8 is now offered, would it be fairly simple to retrofit into
> earlier model??
> Are there kits available for this conversion??  Even if it was a
> later introduction..
> Any body that has done this conversion in 4X4, would you contact
> me off list??
> Maggie11 Hiwaay.net
>
> Azie Magnusson
> Ardmore, Al.
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:28:10 -0800
From: john yee <johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: Explorers - V8 4X4


Here's some engine swap info that may also be useful.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://trs.rrorc.com/V8Conversions.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://trs.rrorc.com/

This site is particular to lifted explorers.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4x4central.com/

David Cooley wrote:

> The V8 was offered with either 2WD or AWD beginning in 1996.
> All explorer V8's from 1996 thru 2001 use the 5.0L V8.  Starting in 2002,
> Ford is dumping the 5.0 and using the 4.6L V8.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Azie L. Magnusson
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:19 AM
> > To: small-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: [small-list] Explorers - V8 4X4
> >
> >
> > I'm fairly new to this list, but have been on the 61-79 list
> > since forever.
> > Need your help, since I know almost nothing about Explorers.
> > My Son is looking to buy an Explorer 4X4.
> > Were they ever offered from the factory with V8??
> > If yes, then what year was it introduced??
> > Which V8??  302 or new Triton??
> > If V8 is now offered, would it be fairly simple to retrofit into
> > earlier model??
> > Are there kits available for this conversion??  Even if it was a
> > later introduction..
> > Any body that has done this conversion in 4X4, would you contact
> > me off list??
> > Maggie11 Hiwaay.net
> >
> > Azie Magnusson
> > Ardmore, Al.
> >
> >
> >


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From: "Flynn Einhorn" <feinhorn hotmail.com>
Subject: list removal
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:29:28 -0500


sorry to waste everyone's time but I can't figure out how to take my name
off of this mailing list.  If someone doesn't mind could they tell me how?

feinhorn hotmail.com

Thanks in advance

Flynn
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From: "chris earls" <cdetor hotmail.com>
Subject: tire upgrade
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:32:24


Im looking at ditching my stock rims and tires for my 86 ranger 2WD.
I would like to stuff as much tire in the wells as possible without it
hanging out or having to install a lift kit. Any suggestions on 15" rims and
all terrain tires?

Chris
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From: "Ron,Marge,Ted" <rmtsadu sunlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Explorer Pinging!]
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:25:18 -0500



----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
To: <small-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:25 PM
Subject: [small-list] Re: [Explorer Pinging!]


>
> "Ron,Marge,Ted" <rmtsadu sunlink.net> wrote:
> > Hi Tim...here's one for you if you don't mind.
>
> OK.
>
> > My wife's 94 Explorer with 56K on it has started pinging around 2 years
ago.
> Tried different brands of gas, and premium gas as well...still pings.
>
> How badly?  A couple quick "ticks" when you put your foot down aren't
> abnormal.
>
Usually pings on an incline while under a steady foot. If I push hard enough
to downshift or until torque converter unlocks, then the pinging stops. If I
back out of it enough it will stop also only thing is I have to ease up so
much that it is running too slow for open highway. Makes me think it is RPM
sensitive.

.  A filter every 30K or so is
> cheaper than a pump and filter at 100K.)
>
A new filter was installed with no difference.

> > Dealer number 3 said it needed O2 sensors
>
> Did they mention any codes about being Lean?
>
No codes showing, just figured it wouldn't hurt to change em.

> > and also he decarbonized the valves with some kind of additive he put in
the
> fuel rail. That seemed to help a LITTLE, but afterawhile it still pings as
> usual.
>
> *Some* of those work very well, some not so well.  ;-)

>I had someone on this list
> tell me to clean the MAF sensor elements with electrical cleaner or brak!
> > e cleaner which I did, but still no difference.
>
> Do you know someone with a similar vehicle that would swap MAFs for a day?
> Although usually not mentioned (or if it is, not noticed) in the
diagnostic
> charts for Lean or Knock the MAF were certainly do it.  Cleaning may or
may
> not help, so the (non)result there doesn't rule it out.
>
Can try and talk my brother-in-law in to letting me swap MAFS with him, he
has the same year Explorer also. His Explorer has over 80K on it with no pin
ging ever!

> Could be some EGR problems, but generally speaking the Ford system is good
for
> tripping a code if there's a fault there.
>
I did have an EGR code about a year ago, but the Explorer had been pinging
for about a year prior to the EGR fault. It turned out to be a faulty EGR
pressure feedback sensor which was replaced. That got rid of the fault code
but it still pings!

I also had someone suggest to me if all else fails, try a 'colder'
sparkplug! Any comments on that one? I did have new plugs installed at the
same time and by the same dealer who decarbonized the valves and replace the
O2s, but no difference.

I want to thank you for your interest in my problem. it is much appreciated.
                                                                   Ron


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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:12:08 -0500
From: George Kowal <gkowal earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Explorer Pinging!]




"Ron,Marge,Ted" wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Turner <ManicMechanicNC netscape.net>
> To: <small-list ford-trucks.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 10:25 PM
> Subject: [small-list] Re: [Explorer Pinging!]
>
>
> > > My wife's 94 Explorer with 56K on it has started pinging around 2 years
> ago.
>
>
> I did have an EGR code about a year ago, but the Explorer had been pinging
> for about a year prior to the EGR fault. It turned out to be a faulty EGR
> pressure feedback sensor which was replaced. That got rid of the fault code
> but it still pings!

Somebody wrote earlier today or yesterday that a number of Explorers had the
wrong settings programmed in the chips from the factory and that they had a
dealer reflash them to clear that.
....


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