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small-list Digest Sat, 18 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 196

In This Issue:
ADMIN: Tragic loss
Master Cylinder Interchangeability
Re: Master Cylinder Interchangeability
Master Cylinder Interchangeability
Re: Master Cylinder Interchangeability

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:39:53 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Tragic loss

I've just received notice that Jan and Pat Ford had a tragic loss.
Their youngest daughter was killed by a drunk driver about 3 weeks
ago.

For those of you who don't know the Ford's (no relation to FoMoCo),
Pat and Jan Ford have been an enormous part of the Ford truck hobby,
especially for antique trucks.  They put on the F100 Supernationals
and have done so for over 20 years.  Not only that, but they are
really nice folks.

I'd like to show them we care.  Ford Truck Enthusiasts is asking
its members to send loss/sympathy cards and we'll put them together
in a package and send it to Pat and Jan Ford.

The cards should be written to Pat and Jan Ford and sent to Ford
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Your participation in this would be greatly appreciated.  I'm sure
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small, is sure to help.  Please try to send something by next Friday
at the latest.

Sincerely,
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:00:36 +0000
From: Adam McLaughlin <kd6poc jps.net>
Subject: Master Cylinder Interchangeability

Hey Tim,

Well, I got my leaky explorer pro comp lines out of the brono 2 today, and I replaced them with
the new ones from Super Lift. I like the super lift lines a lot better. They are much more
flexible, are a little bit shorter and fit really nicely. The explorer pro comp lines worked, (For
a while anyway) but they never did fit right and they rubbed the inside of the tires no matter
what I did with them.

The brakes respnd differently, though. With the steel lines, the slightest tap of the brake pedal
would slow you down, while the rubber super lift lines you have about three inches of pedal travel
before they start to do something. Then the pedal is very firm and the truck slows down smoothely.

On my dad's stock ranger, the lightest touch can lock all four of them up. He doesn't have the
same "three inch" travel of the pedal before the brakes start to grab. I wish I could stop like
that.

I might be inclined to work on the proportioning valve first, since it is the easiest to get at.

I wonder if I could be having a problem with the brake booster... Hmmm... Or maybe just a simplen
vacuum leak.

Adam

Tim Turner wrote:

> Adam McLaughlin <kd6poc jps.net> wrote:
>
> > I have also heard that some people who have swapped out the 7.5 for a
> > disc-ed 8.8 also swap the master cylinder. Is this because of fluid
> > proportioning, or because it just moves much more fluid?
>
> Hmm.. would it be easier to alter the bore size of the wheel cylinders to
> achieve what you're looking for?  Possibly an adjustable proportioning valve
> could be of some help as well.
>
> Tim  (Finally back from the Video card/HD snafu)  :-)
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 20:30:35 -0800
From: john yee <johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: Master Cylinder Interchangeability

Can't help with the F150 Master Brake cylinder info, but here's some
additional info on the 8.8 Rear Disk brake conversion.
(I read proportioning.)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://trs.rrorc.com/Explorer8_8.html

If you choose to get a disk brake 8.8, you'll need to swap in
a master cylinder for a Ranger/Explorer with rear disks.  It's necessary to
maintain the proper brake fluid pressure to the rear disks.

Also see if this is of any help.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://trs.rrorc.com/Brake_Upgrades.html

Ohhh, and here you go. Another $675 for rear disks...
Just what you need right Adam?

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.stainlesssteelbrakes.com

> I know that a lot of people have said that I need bigger brakes, but I
> would like to avoid the 8.8 swap if I could. I have way too much money
> in my 7.5, and I like it too much to buy an 8.8, get a new detroit
> locker, set it up, fabricate new mounts for my traction bars, etc.
>
> I have also heard that some people who have swapped out the 7.5 for a
> disc-ed 8.8 also swap the master cylinder. Is this because of fluid
> proportioning, or because it just moves much more fluid?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Adam
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:08:21 +0000
From: Adam McLaughlin <kd6poc jps.net>
Subject: Master Cylinder Interchangeability

Hi John,

Thanks for the info. Wow! $675 for the rear disc upgrade. I think I'd rather
spend the money on the cam and related hop-up parts.

I like the info that the author writes about in the link:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://trs.rrorc.com/Explorer8_8.html

Is that a Jim Oaks article? Ford blue pumpkins are a nice touch too.

I have a question. What happens if I get the 8.8 rear end with the discs on it,
and I do not swap out the master cylinders? What happens? Does it just make the
rear end do nothing, or does it make it lock up a lot easier? Judging by the
widths of brake hoses, Discs seems to need more fluid to work than the drums.

Adam

john yee wrote:

> Can't help with the F150 Master Brake cylinder info, but here's some
> additional info on the 8.8 Rear Disk brake conversion.
> (I read proportioning.)
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://trs.rrorc.com/Explorer8_8.html
>
> If you choose to get a disk brake 8.8, you'll need to swap in
> a master cylinder for a Ranger/Explorer with rear disks.  It's necessary to
> maintain the proper brake fluid pressure to the rear disks.
>
> Also see if this is of any help.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://trs.rrorc.com/Brake_Upgrades.html
>
> Ohhh, and here you go. Another $675 for rear disks...
> Just what you need right Adam?
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.stainlesssteelbrakes.com
>
> > I know that a lot of people have said that I need bigger brakes, but I
> > would like to avoid the 8.8 swap if I could. I have way too much money
> > in my 7.5, and I like it too much to buy an 8.8, get a new detroit
> > locker, set it up, fabricate new mounts for my traction bars, etc.
> >
> > I have also heard that some people who have swapped out the 7.5 for a
> > disc-ed 8.8 also swap the master cylinder. Is this because of fluid
> > proportioning, or because it just moves much more fluid?
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >


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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:50:15 -0800
From: john yee <johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: Master Cylinder Interchangeability

> Is that a Jim Oaks article? Ford blue pumpkins are a nice touch too.
>

Not sure.

>
> I have a question. What happens if I get the 8.8 rear end with the discs on it,
> and I do not swap out the master cylinders? What happens? Does it just make the
> rear end do nothing, or does it make it lock up a lot easier? Judging by the
> widths of brake hoses, Discs seems to need more fluid to work than the drums.

Wish I could be more helpful, but not on this.

If I were to guess, it could be either. Depends on the balance (proportioning).

I was cruising through a recent Ford Motorsport catalog.
There is a brake proportioning valve in there.  Don't know if it would
be compatible with a bronco or not though.

I suppose it's time for a web search on master brake cylinder operations :-).
Most of the time we all spend making it go faster, not stopping ....


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