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small-list Digest Thu, 16 Nov 2000 Volume: 2000  Issue: 194

In This Issue:
Re: heating problems
2.5 Liter
Re: Four Cylinder Vs. Camper
Re: Four Cylinder Vs. Camper (Not a GOOd Idea !!)
ADMIN: Magnafine Filters
Re: Four Cylinder Vs. Camper (Not a GOOd Idea !!)

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:44:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Chuck Badger <chuckbadger yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: heating problems

You might want to check the cable that runs from the
dash heater control.  Sometimes the cable will kink
and not allow the deflector that routes the air under
the dash to move fully.

Chuck

--- Chuck Anderson <ccande0 hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have a 1990 Bronco II with 205,000 miles.  This
> thing runs great, the 2.9
> keeps chugging right along.  My problem, I have no
> heat coming through the
> floor vents.  I had to replace the blower motor last
> spring.  I don't think
> I messed anything up by doing that.  Has anyone else
> had this problem and is
> there an "easy" fix.  The dash vents work great and
> the defroster is o.k.
> Thanks in advance for any help or suggestions.
>
> Chuck
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From: "Ron & Madeline Trampe" <telh frontiernet.net>
Subject: 2.5 Liter
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:45:29 -0600

In my humble opinion the engine isn't big enough to be hauling all that
weight. I have a '96 Ranger 3.0 Liter V6, and it doesn't have what it takes
to haul a cab-over camper ( I don't think so anyway. I've never put one on.)
You would probably have a lot of trouble keeping up with the flow of traffic
on the highway.

Ron Trampe
telh frontiernet.net


> First, some background.  My GF and I have a '99 Ranger 4x2 with a five
> speed and 2.5L four cylinder.  Currently the only mods we've done to it
> are installing a set of Rancho RS5000's (this alone made a HUGE
> improvement in the off-road handling of the truck) and a K&N drop-in air
> filter.  We're planning installing larger tires (around 31") in the next
> few months.  Now for my question.
>
> One of my buddies will soon be selling a small cab-over camper which
> he's been hauling around on the back of his Ranger for the past five
> years or so, since his truck (a '93 Ranger 4x2) and my GF's truck have
> the same size bed, and since we could get a really good deal on the
> camper we are naturally thinking of purchasing it and installing it on
> her truck, for trips our monthly trips out to the desert or up to the
> mountains.  However I'm a bit concerned since my GF's truck only has a
> four cylinder (while the guy who is selling the camper has the 4.0 V6) I
> know that he also had to install Firestone Air Springs to help with the
> additional weight of the camper.  In leafing through the the owners
> manual which came with our '99 Ranger it says not to use a cab-over
> camper on the vehicle, but I'm wondering why?  Is it because of the
> weight, or perhaps it's just too much for the four cylinder?  (I keep
> telling her she should have gotten the 4.0 V6).  If we go ahead with the
> purchase I will be adding a set of air springs and Rancho RS9000's to
> the rear of her truck (I've been running the same set-up on my non-Ford
> truck for the past year and a half and have no complaints) I just wanted
> to make sure I'm not over-looking something obvious.  Any comments?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>             --Kevin
>             '99 Ranger 4x2 K&N, RS5000's, more to come
>             '93 "Kind of looks like a Ford" Lots of mods...



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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:04:13 -0800
From: john yee <johny netapp.com>
Subject: Re: Four Cylinder Vs. Camper

I think you will be hating life with the camper loaded up, and in the hills.

Air bags, and better shocks are the right way to go as a side note.

I ran into a guy that had a 97+ 4x2 4 cylinder Ranger up at South lake
Tahoe.
With just him and his friend, and a pickup bed loaded with camping gear,
he was telling me he didn't have much engine pulling the grades. I'm sure
the
6000 ft altitude didn't help.

I'd say your manual transmission, and then the engine will be worked to
death
with the camper. Over heating/lugging the engine would be a concern.
Not only is there weight. Frontal area from the camper
is what will kill you. Going to 31" tires will make things worse. If you
have
4.10 gearing consider yourself lucky. That will help.

A shell might be a better option in this case.

Alternately, find out what the camper weighs wet, and loaded, and
try loading that much stuff in your truck. Take it out for a weekend.
Try driving it around in the hills.

Braking ability is also an issue, but in your case, going in hills would be
more
of one.

What started the conversation in the first place, is that the guy was
admiring
my 99 F350 4x4 with a Power Stroke Diesel, carrying a Lance camper.

Do a search on slide-in campers, or truck campers. Most discussion is based
on full size trucks, but you face the same issues.

-john

kevin daxon wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> First of all let me say I've been a member of this list for a couple of
> months now, and I have really appreciated all the great discussions.
>
> First, some background.  My GF and I have a '99 Ranger 4x2 with a five
> speed and 2.5L four cylinder.  Currently the only mods we've done to it
> are installing a set of Rancho RS5000's (this alone made a HUGE
> improvement in the off-road handling of the truck) and a K&N drop-in air
> filter.  We're planning installing larger tires (around 31") in the next
> few months.  Now for my question.
>
> One of my buddies will soon be selling a small cab-over camper which
> he's been hauling around on the back of his Ranger for the past five
> years or so, since his truck (a '93 Ranger 4x2) and my GF's truck have
> the same size bed, and since we could get a really good deal on the
> camper we are naturally thinking of purchasing it and installing it on
> her truck, for trips our monthly trips out to the desert or up to the
> mountains.  However I'm a bit concerned since my GF's truck only has a
> four cylinder (while the guy who is selling the camper has the 4.0 V6) I
> know that he also had to install Firestone Air Springs to help with the
> additional weight of the camper.  In leafing through the the owners
> manual which came with our '99 Ranger it says not to use a cab-over
> camper on the vehicle, but I'm wondering why?  Is it because of the
> weight, or perhaps it's just too much for the four cylinder?  (I keep
> telling her she should have gotten the 4.0 V6).  If we go ahead with the
> purchase I will be adding a set of air springs and Rancho RS9000's to
> the rear of her truck (I've been running the same set-up on my non-Ford
> truck for the past year and a half and have no complaints) I just wanted
> to make sure I'm not over-looking something obvious.  Any comments?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>             --Kevin
>             '99 Ranger 4x2 K&N, RS5000's, more to come
>             '93 "Kind of looks like a Ford" Lots of mods...
>


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From: "Keith Christensen" <radiopro kendra.com>
Subject: Re: Four Cylinder Vs. Camper (Not a GOOd Idea !!)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:04:52 -0800

> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:12:06 -0800
> From: kevin daxon <kdaxon nocccd.cc.ca.us>
> Subject: Four Cylinder Vs. Camper
>
> Hey guys,
>
> First of all let me say I've been a member of this list for a
couple of
> months now, and I have really appreciated all the great
discussions.

<Snipping  to save space>
>
> First, some background.  My GF and I have a '99 Ranger 4x2 with a
five
> speed and 2.5L four cylinder.

<Snipping  to save space>

> We're planning installing larger tires (around 31") in the next
> few months.


I'm not knocking the 2.5L Four...  It's got a good amount of power.
Unfortunately it's *NOT* enough power to handle an 'overcab' camper
.

"Overcab" 'anythings' (shells/caps/campers) have TWO negatives when
you are shy on horsepower;   weight (most folks see that and
understand that)  and FRONTAL AREA/DRAG/SIDE AREA
(which goes past most folks !!)

Weight  hits you on things that are readily apparent-- hills
/takeoff from stop/handling/corner sway.... etc.

The added drag (aka 'wind resistance') hits you as reduced speed,
added 'extra' corner sway when you least expect it (side winds/
being passed by semi's,  etc).

The worst part of being underpowered is that you severely limit your
options .  Being able to "correct and add throttle" doesn't work
when your foot's already on the metal just trying to stay with the
RV's in the slow lane.

Going to '31"'s' is only going to make all the above FAR worse!!!
I'm assuming you have something in the 235-15 tire size now which is
in the 27.5" - 28.5" (call it 28" for simplicity) overall "tallness"
range.  This is like changing your rear axle ratio from (example -i
don't know yours) from a 3.73 ratio to an 'effective' 3.36 .  This
is *not good* !!  Cut the "inch size" in half, and you see that
you've also "jacked up" your rig by one and a half inches as well .

In other words... it's a damned good thing you asked before doing
this.

One of the guys I work with has an 88 Ranger with the 2.9 V6 --
guessing about (at best) 15% more horsepower in reality (I own a B
II with same 2.9L engine, so I know some of same, I tow a utility
trailer-which is the "back half(-bed/frame-)" of a SWB Ranger)) .
He tried a 'lightweight' overcab camper, took it out for one week on
trial .

We're in the Seattle area.. we have some 'good (??)' local tests for
stuff like this.  Snoqualmie Pass (I-90) for 'moderate' hillclimb
mixed with lots of curves.  Go east on I-90 and you hit Vantage--
crossing the Columbia River.  This is an elevated bridge with
windsocks and and 'bigtruck/RV tipover" warning signs ....... Go
south on I-94 and you hit the stretch towards Yakima with the 'blow
a Deucenannahalf sideways by two lanes " ridge.....  (anybody who's
been to Yakima Firing Center -Army/Air Force/tank/"SpecOps" knows
this one!) .

You can guess correctly that the camper/truck combo failed the trial
test...

Aside-- you could do some engine mods and a differential gearing
change to make this combination work better, but that probably would
cost more than trading up to a 4L V6 .... which is the minimum
engine I'd consider to run an 'overcab' even without the 31's.  Even
a 4L would probably need a lower axle ratio ( guessing a 4.10 or
4.32 ) if you want to run those 31's!

I've seen so many folks who've tried putting 'overcabs' on
inappropriate vehicles over the last 40 years  that I only make
comments when in forums like this.  I lived just east of Glacier
Natl Park  for a few years, and "we" used to have to scrape these
and other overloaded RV types off the passes and hills all the time.

I CCed  kevin daxon <kdaxon nocccd.cc.ca.us> as courtesy, but please
do any reply via small-list ford-trucks.com .




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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:34:46 -0500
From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Magnafine Filters

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:46:21 -0800
From: kevin daxon <kdaxon nocccd.cc.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Four Cylinder Vs. Camper (Not a GOOd Idea !!)

Hello Keith,

Thanks for the great feed-back, this is the type of advice I was hoping
I'd get!

Well, it goes without saying that we are now seriously reconsidering
this "upgrade" since many of the places we would be traveling with it
would either be hilly or windy (and most of the time, both) since in the
summer we like to camp in our local mountains and in the winter we spend
quite a lot of time out in the Mojave desert riding ATV's and camping.

It looks like we'll probably have to let this one go, at least until one
of us gets a more fitting vehicle to haul it with.  Oh, and good point
about the larger tires requiring a gear swap I was aware of that, but
thanks for the reminder!

       --Kevin
       Orange County, So.Cal.
       '99 Ranger 4x2 - Mostly stock

Keith Christensen wrote:

>
>
> I'm not knocking the 2.5L Four...  It's got a good amount of power.
> Unfortunately it's *NOT* enough power to handle an 'overcab' camper
> .
>
> "Overcab" 'anythings' (shells/caps/campers) have TWO negatives when
> you are shy on horsepower;   weight (most folks see that and
> understand that)  and FRONTAL AREA/DRAG/SIDE AREA
>  (which goes past most folks !!)
>
> Weight  hits you on things that are readily apparent-- hills
> /takeoff from stop/handling/corner sway.... etc.
>
> The added drag (aka 'wind resistance') hits you as reduced speed,
> added 'extra' corner sway when you least expect it (side winds/
> being passed by semi's,  etc).
>
> The worst part of being underpowered is that you severely limit your
> options .  Being able to "correct and add throttle" doesn't work
> when your foot's already on the metal just trying to stay with the
> RV's in the slow lane.
>
> Going to '31"'s' is only going to make all the above FAR worse!!!
> I'm assuming you have something in the 235-15 tire size now which is
> in the 27.5" - 28.5" (call it 28" for simplicity) overall "tallness"
> range.  This is like changing your rear axle ratio from (example -i
> don't know yours) from a 3.73 ratio to an 'effective' 3.36 .  This
> is *not good* !!  Cut the "inch size" in half, and you see that
> you've also "jacked up" your rig by one and a half inches as well .
>
> In other words... it's a damned good thing you asked before doing
> this.
>


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